Abhishek Sharan/Express News Service
Posted online: Monday, May 17, 2004 at 1144 hours IST
Updated: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 1426 hours IST
Mumbai, May 17: Almost a week after the two are gone, nobody at the Milind Nagar shanty-town in Powai is tired of talking about them.
Advertisement
In hushed whispers and dramatic undertones, the story of their ‘‘affair’’ makes its way around the 2,000-odd shanties and its cosmopolitan population. He was 26 and married. She was just 19. Their families hated each other with the spite reserved for Bollywood enemies. And sadly and most significantly they knew their love was doomed. For he was Vinod Ingale, born a Hindu and in love with Gulshan Khan, daughter of a devout Muslim family.
Late on Monday night, hours after the duo was discovered missing, agitated relatives broke into Vinod’s one room shanty in Milind Nagar his family stays in another shanty a couple of metres away and caught them, inches away from each other and hanging from a ceiling-rod.
They had hung themselves from two ends of a single nylon cord, facing each other. No suicide note was found by the Powai police.
Vinod’s friend Jagdish says their bodies dangled ‘‘for hours’’, Vinod in his favourite black t-shirt and grey shorts, she in a light night suit. As the police completed their formalities, the two families spat fire and wagged accusing fingers at each other.
On Friday afternoon, Sunday Gulshan’s father Habibullah (55) is away at his small betelnut shop, but her mother Munira (50) is still grieving at home. She whispers that two years ago, her daughter had told Vinod it wouldn’t work. ‘‘She was a Muslim, he a Hindu. Their destinies were separate,’’ she says.
Vinod, a Std X dropout and peon with an electronic goods manufacturing firm at SEEPZ, Andheri, with a salary of Rs 2,000 per month, heeded Gulshan’s advice and married Anita (19). They even had a baby girl, Prerana, now almost two years old.
How things came to such a pass is the subject of the latest bitter dispute between the already feuding families.
Vinod’s mother Nirmala (44) and Anita can’t believe the family’s only breadwinner is gone. ‘‘Everything was so normal,’’ Nirmala whimpers.
Just a few days ago, he’d bought a colour television set, so his teenage sisters wouldn’t have to watch daily soaps at the neighbour’s.
Munira says Gulshan took money from her that evening to enroll in a computer course. ‘‘How can a girl who offered namaz five times a day end up hanging with a rowdy like Vinod?’’ she asks bitterly, then alleging that the Ingales killed her daughter ‘‘and maybe Vinod too’’.
Munira’s allegations find support in her son-in-law Abdul Majid Sheikh. He says Vinod met Gulshan secretly at 8.30 pm that night and took her away by force.
But the postmortem reports from Rajawadi Hospital, Ghatkopar, are dismissive of these claims—‘‘asphyxia due to hanging,’’ it says.
Vinod’s friend hints that it was the Khan family’s resolute opposition to the relationship ‘‘on religious grounds’’ that led to the double suicide. Vinod was exceedingly headstrong and moody, he says, and could have taken the drastic decision ‘‘in desperation’’.
Investigating Officer Police Sub-Inspector A Malche could not be contacted, but another official at the Powai police station said investigations are on.
(With inputs from Karen Alfred)
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=31515
Showing posts with label Hindu or Funny Stuff?. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hindu or Funny Stuff?. Show all posts
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Islam is taking us to hell
It is quiet surprising the tenents laid down by a nomad(Prophet) who was nothing but a pedophile & sex maniac is being taken up so seriously & religiously even today by passionate Islam followers. Anything that came in between him & his sexual excursions today have become rules in the Islam world not to be circumvented.
Islam religion is full of hatred, non violence & bloodshed & deserves to be shunned & eradicated as fast as possible. What is a religion to be followed so passionately which glorifies intolerance towards non Moslems & promises virgins after death.The sooner the followers of Islam renounce the religion the faster peace,tranquility will be restored in this world. Today all Islam following zealots are living in a dark age.
This is quiet obvious by looking at the state of all Muslim countries.
Ravaged by war, bloodshed the Moslems today are totally a disillusioned lot with nowhere to go.
What is religion which allows 4 marriages openly supporting polygamy.The Arabs are lumpens so its easy to understand they falling a prey to Muhammad's doctrines but have other countries (Iran, Pakistan,Malaysia, Indonesia)
lost their senses to adapt such a horrific religion.
Posted by: GodAlmighty, Germany, 05-01-2005 at 1605 hours IST
ha ha eheheh.. this is hilarious.. all these comments are so funny.. i cant believe such (well, im hoping 4 yr olds din write this) mature people would argue over religion.. lol.. this the best place to be.. good entertainment package... but certainly lame and pathetic.. lol.. what's the point.. we're all equal when it comes down to being human. no one's greater ...we all live on this friggedy earth.
people, im an india (hindu) girl who's madly in love with his bangladeshi (muslim) boy.. and i dont give a shit what frikkin racist or discriminative ppl say.. ima marry him no matter what.
stop arguing for heck's sake. you're all right in your own places... you're just causing yourself problems.. like.. tension.. or highblood pressure :).. if you can get along.. you'll be happier... therefore, healthier :).. lol.. ha ha
Posted by: koo, India, 01-11-2004 at 0957 hours IST
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Muslim lobby is misled..So much bloodbath/butchered-corpses,BEAR muslim jihadi-names?Muslims cannot tolerate OTHERS bexc Koran at 2.3tok23.68 tutors them to"put boiling water over the heads of non-muslims/skin them-be a friend/neighbour,if he doesn't convert"? Mughals failed to convert all Hindus in Ind-due to heavy resistance from Guru Gobind Singhji-"aghar no hotte Guru Gobind Singh,sunit hotti sabhki"(Hashim,1720).Shivaji/Brave Rajputs, also fought against these conversions.US-Blacks,prefer Islam,not for religious link,but for acquiring addl.wives.Why,muslims have a problem,if a Hindu boy marries a muslim girl?Why,do they accept Hindu-girl,marrying a muslim boy?Islam,in theory means"achieve peace with God",those butchered corpses/bloodbath,in the world-speaks for Islamic-peace! Islam is barbaric-cult,a political-ambition/ mission,to capture the globe,byTerror/ killing others.In Hamid Mir's interview 25/9/01,Osama says"Mohd,gave orders for killing jews/christians,for failing to build towns"and had also ordered"to throw them in Sea"! Grandson,Hussain of Mohd,was butchered to death,since then Shias are killed and Shias kill Sunnies,for centuries! Where is peace/muslim tolerance?
Posted by: pps.ahluwalia, United States, 26-08-2004 at 2332 hours IST
Hindu Boy and Muslim Girl
Dear all,
It is pathetic to know that many of us have the veiw of the religions each others. Both Muslims and Hindus...Both had to condemn this act of Love marriage what is this it is not a practise in Hindu culture and neither in thwe teaching of Islam.......this is the culture of western where no values of relations are there being a father and mother or sister and brother no mutual respect for each other......let,s not go in that....we have to preserve our culture and modesty of Bharat The Great secular country.......
Posted by: Abdul Rahman, Saudi Arabia, 26-08-2004 at 1512 hours IST
Islam-hinduism
I cannot believe this? I never knew hindus were so full of hate? How dare u make these rude remarks with no basis at all? All your "facts" are based on ignorance? I am a muslim and I don't have a problem with hindus. I have many hindu friends in fact. First of all you talk about how hinduism and buddhism is the fastest growing religion, BS!!! Take a look at a globe, dumb asses, who's hindu and buddhist? Indians and SOME of eastern asia. Then look at the islamic countries and their population. Like Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, a lot of eastern europe and MUCH MORE! So dont try to pull that crap sayin only a few pakistani's and irani's are muslim. Thats why your dumb country is stricken with disease, floods, poverty. I went to Indian last year and it is by far the filthiest place ever. Lizards, rats, bony dogs, dirty smelly people begging on the streets. But go to a place like the United Arab Emirates, it is beautiful, clean, and the poeple are kind. u all talk about how great your religion is. U all worship thingsthat you made up, those statues that you pray to, u made them yourselves! If islam is wrong, then so are christians, and jews. U idiots are all goin to hell!
Posted by: Sultana, United States, 18-08-2004 at 0818 hours IST
hindu-muslim
why don't muslims agree that non-violence is the supreme religion.If they believe in this then all the evils will be removed from the society.why do they always talk of killing?
Posted by: naren, United States, 27-07-2004 at 2252 hours IST
Kow the truth
Mr.Sameer Khan, in ur post u mentioned some ill practises of Hinduism. Thats why it changed. Don't you know anything(s) more brutal in Islam which is(are) still being practised?. wanna know more goto www.faithfreedom.org hard to believe?, well, that is how truth is, BITTER. Pavan.
Posted by: Pavan Karra, 05-07-2004 at 2127 hours IST
Bhagwat Geeta
When Hindus talk about religion, they unmistakably refer to Geeta & say this is a great great practical text of religion. India has 80% Hinuds. Say 80 % of them are religious. Then how many have read Geeta? Hardly 1 %. How many practice life as per Geeta? 0.0000001? How many Hindu parents teach their kids the great great Geeta? If Geeta is so great & so practical a philosophy, then why majority of Hindus care adamn about it? Or is it that Hindus know pretty well that Geeta is a useless outdated piece of scripture & needs to be discarded? The answerers must be honest enough to declare whether they have read Geeta & practicing it.
Posted by: prabhanjan nandan, 05-07-2004 at 1558 hours IST
No religion is Perfect but evolves.
Mohammed, there is no argument, with that logic.Hindus also believe that there is one God and that God is omnipotent and omnipresent, compassionate and all powerful.In fact the 4 out of 5 Pillars of Islam, are identical to the Hindu Dharma, even the counting of the beads were imported by Islam.Now here is the crunch, casting aside,emotion,personal prejudices,passion and hatred, if you question, any any religious preacher/scholar, if they have or had seen GOD OR SPOKEN TO GOD?The scientific truth is emphatic NO,and impossible to PROVE. Religion is one's FAITH AND PERSONAL BELIEF. You believe in what you want to believe, without constantly being told that you are a pagan,idol worshipper and so on.I was recently in Israel and had witnessed that young palestanians,were carrying the pictures of shiek yassin/saddam/ khomeni and were procalimnig that they worship them.The point is this, no religion is perfect or absolute.God manifests in many ways.What What is not accetable about Muslims,is harrangeing the Hindus,telling the Hindus that Islam is the perfect religion. This is where lies the faultline, not tolerating others belief and faith.There is no perfect religion
Posted by: Dilip, 05-07-2004 at 1456 hours IST
koran= killing manual
koran is a killing manual. read bhagvad gita instead to purify soul and to know the divine cosmological philosophy. albert eninstien the famous scientist was influenced by bahgvad gita. there is no comparision between gita and koran. if koran was written in hell then gita was written in heaven.
Posted by: samit roy, 05-07-2004 at 1335 hours IST
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=31515
It is quiet surprising the tenents laid down by a nomad(Prophet) who was nothing but a pedophile & sex maniac is being taken up so seriously & religiously even today by passionate Islam followers. Anything that came in between him & his sexual excursions today have become rules in the Islam world not to be circumvented.
Islam religion is full of hatred, non violence & bloodshed & deserves to be shunned & eradicated as fast as possible. What is a religion to be followed so passionately which glorifies intolerance towards non Moslems & promises virgins after death.The sooner the followers of Islam renounce the religion the faster peace,tranquility will be restored in this world. Today all Islam following zealots are living in a dark age.
This is quiet obvious by looking at the state of all Muslim countries.
Ravaged by war, bloodshed the Moslems today are totally a disillusioned lot with nowhere to go.
What is religion which allows 4 marriages openly supporting polygamy.The Arabs are lumpens so its easy to understand they falling a prey to Muhammad's doctrines but have other countries (Iran, Pakistan,Malaysia, Indonesia)
lost their senses to adapt such a horrific religion.
Posted by: GodAlmighty, Germany, 05-01-2005 at 1605 hours IST
ha ha eheheh.. this is hilarious.. all these comments are so funny.. i cant believe such (well, im hoping 4 yr olds din write this) mature people would argue over religion.. lol.. this the best place to be.. good entertainment package... but certainly lame and pathetic.. lol.. what's the point.. we're all equal when it comes down to being human. no one's greater ...we all live on this friggedy earth.
people, im an india (hindu) girl who's madly in love with his bangladeshi (muslim) boy.. and i dont give a shit what frikkin racist or discriminative ppl say.. ima marry him no matter what.
stop arguing for heck's sake. you're all right in your own places... you're just causing yourself problems.. like.. tension.. or highblood pressure :).. if you can get along.. you'll be happier... therefore, healthier :).. lol.. ha ha
Posted by: koo, India, 01-11-2004 at 0957 hours IST
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Muslim lobby is misled..So much bloodbath/butchered-corpses,BEAR muslim jihadi-names?Muslims cannot tolerate OTHERS bexc Koran at 2.3tok23.68 tutors them to"put boiling water over the heads of non-muslims/skin them-be a friend/neighbour,if he doesn't convert"? Mughals failed to convert all Hindus in Ind-due to heavy resistance from Guru Gobind Singhji-"aghar no hotte Guru Gobind Singh,sunit hotti sabhki"(Hashim,1720).Shivaji/Brave Rajputs, also fought against these conversions.US-Blacks,prefer Islam,not for religious link,but for acquiring addl.wives.Why,muslims have a problem,if a Hindu boy marries a muslim girl?Why,do they accept Hindu-girl,marrying a muslim boy?Islam,in theory means"achieve peace with God",those butchered corpses/bloodbath,in the world-speaks for Islamic-peace! Islam is barbaric-cult,a political-ambition/ mission,to capture the globe,byTerror/ killing others.In Hamid Mir's interview 25/9/01,Osama says"Mohd,gave orders for killing jews/christians,for failing to build towns"and had also ordered"to throw them in Sea"! Grandson,Hussain of Mohd,was butchered to death,since then Shias are killed and Shias kill Sunnies,for centuries! Where is peace/muslim tolerance?
Posted by: pps.ahluwalia, United States, 26-08-2004 at 2332 hours IST
Hindu Boy and Muslim Girl
Dear all,
It is pathetic to know that many of us have the veiw of the religions each others. Both Muslims and Hindus...Both had to condemn this act of Love marriage what is this it is not a practise in Hindu culture and neither in thwe teaching of Islam.......this is the culture of western where no values of relations are there being a father and mother or sister and brother no mutual respect for each other......let,s not go in that....we have to preserve our culture and modesty of Bharat The Great secular country.......
Posted by: Abdul Rahman, Saudi Arabia, 26-08-2004 at 1512 hours IST
Islam-hinduism
I cannot believe this? I never knew hindus were so full of hate? How dare u make these rude remarks with no basis at all? All your "facts" are based on ignorance? I am a muslim and I don't have a problem with hindus. I have many hindu friends in fact. First of all you talk about how hinduism and buddhism is the fastest growing religion, BS!!! Take a look at a globe, dumb asses, who's hindu and buddhist? Indians and SOME of eastern asia. Then look at the islamic countries and their population. Like Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, a lot of eastern europe and MUCH MORE! So dont try to pull that crap sayin only a few pakistani's and irani's are muslim. Thats why your dumb country is stricken with disease, floods, poverty. I went to Indian last year and it is by far the filthiest place ever. Lizards, rats, bony dogs, dirty smelly people begging on the streets. But go to a place like the United Arab Emirates, it is beautiful, clean, and the poeple are kind. u all talk about how great your religion is. U all worship thingsthat you made up, those statues that you pray to, u made them yourselves! If islam is wrong, then so are christians, and jews. U idiots are all goin to hell!
Posted by: Sultana, United States, 18-08-2004 at 0818 hours IST
hindu-muslim
why don't muslims agree that non-violence is the supreme religion.If they believe in this then all the evils will be removed from the society.why do they always talk of killing?
Posted by: naren, United States, 27-07-2004 at 2252 hours IST
Kow the truth
Mr.Sameer Khan, in ur post u mentioned some ill practises of Hinduism. Thats why it changed. Don't you know anything(s) more brutal in Islam which is(are) still being practised?. wanna know more goto www.faithfreedom.org hard to believe?, well, that is how truth is, BITTER. Pavan.
Posted by: Pavan Karra, 05-07-2004 at 2127 hours IST
Bhagwat Geeta
When Hindus talk about religion, they unmistakably refer to Geeta & say this is a great great practical text of religion. India has 80% Hinuds. Say 80 % of them are religious. Then how many have read Geeta? Hardly 1 %. How many practice life as per Geeta? 0.0000001? How many Hindu parents teach their kids the great great Geeta? If Geeta is so great & so practical a philosophy, then why majority of Hindus care adamn about it? Or is it that Hindus know pretty well that Geeta is a useless outdated piece of scripture & needs to be discarded? The answerers must be honest enough to declare whether they have read Geeta & practicing it.
Posted by: prabhanjan nandan, 05-07-2004 at 1558 hours IST
No religion is Perfect but evolves.
Mohammed, there is no argument, with that logic.Hindus also believe that there is one God and that God is omnipotent and omnipresent, compassionate and all powerful.In fact the 4 out of 5 Pillars of Islam, are identical to the Hindu Dharma, even the counting of the beads were imported by Islam.Now here is the crunch, casting aside,emotion,personal prejudices,passion and hatred, if you question, any any religious preacher/scholar, if they have or had seen GOD OR SPOKEN TO GOD?The scientific truth is emphatic NO,and impossible to PROVE. Religion is one's FAITH AND PERSONAL BELIEF. You believe in what you want to believe, without constantly being told that you are a pagan,idol worshipper and so on.I was recently in Israel and had witnessed that young palestanians,were carrying the pictures of shiek yassin/saddam/ khomeni and were procalimnig that they worship them.The point is this, no religion is perfect or absolute.God manifests in many ways.What What is not accetable about Muslims,is harrangeing the Hindus,telling the Hindus that Islam is the perfect religion. This is where lies the faultline, not tolerating others belief and faith.There is no perfect religion
Posted by: Dilip, 05-07-2004 at 1456 hours IST
koran= killing manual
koran is a killing manual. read bhagvad gita instead to purify soul and to know the divine cosmological philosophy. albert eninstien the famous scientist was influenced by bahgvad gita. there is no comparision between gita and koran. if koran was written in hell then gita was written in heaven.
Posted by: samit roy, 05-07-2004 at 1335 hours IST
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=31515
K a r i m a DDN: Choice of words is a process of intellect
Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:42:06 -0700
B i s m i l l a a h i r R a h m a a n i r R a h e e m
FAO: Kannan Devan, Yunus Sidira, and Lal Gehi
When a human is born he does not know things, but he has the means of knowledge, the mind, the sense of hearing and the sense of seeing. Man was born to search for truth and to come upon the truth, not to follow false ways. The false people who deny others their freedom of belief are of many types: corrupt scholars, monks, seers, rulers, and ignorant, misguided layman i.e. one who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.
Some of these false people go so far as to distort God's scriptures revealed to his messengers, in order to legitimize their whims. They corrupt those scriptures by adding foreign materials to them. I do not hesitate to say that tampering with people's faith and corrupting morality and values have become a routine job for certain groups from among the Christian missionaries, and people like you, who nurse a deep-set hatred for Islam, its Holy Book, Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him), and Muslims.
Choice of words is a process of intellect. Did the three (3) of you think that what you wrote about Islam's Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) was going to shock and anger our Muslim community? It just did not happen! It only revealed to us your individual mind(s) - minds psychologically in a state of confusion, battle, aggression, hate, and total misery - an appalling state of despair and frustration. Thus, I think you have a problem that precedes this one by more than an inch - and that, whoever you are, is your state of mind.
For example, your hands are perfectly harmonious with each other, your fingers move together and your eyes move with your hands (hopefully). But there may be conflict in your mind, absence of harmony between (lack of) the correct knowledge in your mind and your feelings insofar as you have internalised certain concepts or ideas which are then in conflict. Do you follow?
Your mind then sets up these strange dualities. And that is the problem. Are dualities created artificially? First of all because you are a Hindu, Jew, Christian or Buddhist, I am a Muslim and my religion is Islam and yours Hinduism, Judaism, Christinity or Taoism. Are they created artificially because each society has its own vested interest, each group has its own particular form of belief? Or is the division created in oneself by the 'me' and the 'not me'?
Yes, the 'me' is a conditioned entity The duality that bedevils us most, the duality of you and me, your God and my God, your religion and my religion. I have an image of you, you have an image of me. What I have gathered from your corrupt language, you have absolutely no capacity to see the rights of an individual's belief as it is, because you are only able to interpret it through your own terminology, your categories, your temperament, your prejudices and last but not least, your burning hatred for another's religious belief.
Since I am aware of your aversion to Muslims and Islam, I will not bother to impart the Muslim and Islamic views vis-à-vis people like you. I will, however, let non-Muslims tell you instead:
Quote -
Man can certainly flee from God... but he cannot escape Him. He can certainly hate God and be hateful to God, but he cannot change into its opposite the eternal love of God which triumphs even in his hate. Karl Barth
Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal
In time we hate that which we often fear. William Shakespeare
It belongs to human nature to hate those you have injured. Tacitus
Hate is the consequence of fear; we fear something before we hate it. Cyril
Connolly
When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate. Francois de
La Rochefoucauld
Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated. Coretta Scott King
A man who lives, not by what he loves but what he hates, is a sick man.
Archibald Macleish
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
James A. Baldwin
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. Hermann Hesse
The voice of the intelligence is drowned out by the roar of fear. It is ignored by the voice of desire. It is contradicted by the voice of shame. It is biased by hate and extinguished by anger. Most of all it is silenced by ignorance.
Karl A. Menninger
In hatred as in love, we grow like the thing we brood upon. What we loathe, we graft into our very soul. Mary Renault
There is no faculty of the human soul so persistent and universal as that of hatred. Henry Ward Beecher
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get. Confucius
Race hate isn't human nature; race hate is the abandonment of human nature.
Orson Welles
Hatred is self-punishment. Hosea Ballou
You cannot hate other people without hating your self. Oprah Winfrey
Hatred, which could destroy so much, never failed to destroy the man who hated and this was an immutable law. James Baldwin
Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater. George Washington Carver
Let them hate, so long as they fear. Lucius Accius
"... from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Herman Melville
Who can refute a sneer? William Paley - unquote.
One of you (Yunus Sidira) wrote: "Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to justify nonsense."
Yes, you are right - it is the Muslims' choice. And don't waste energy to justify (your) nonsense!
However, your disgraceful and shameless attitude towards Muslims, and the fanaticism and malice the three (3) of you reveal about yourselves is confirmed, that whenever there is a chance you will write utter nonsense about our Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) and Islam.
Where, then, is freedom of choice practised? Who is fanatic, and who is tolerant?
Don't bother to respond.
K a r i m a
DDN
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
Pedophile MohaMad was a messenger of death and doom. He raped a six year old girl Aisha, married 23 women, beheaded hundreds of innocent kafirs,
and was a slave trader.
___________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: Muslims believe in the Koran Under Hypnotic Trance
What makes Muslims to believe in the satanic versus in the unholy Koran? What makes Muslims to practice, preserve and promote Jihadi terrorism as prescribed in the Koran? We may ask Muslims the reason for his belief and practices? Consider the case of a posthypnotic suggestion. A man has been told, under hypnosis, to open the window five minutes after coming out of his hypnotic sleep. He acts accordingly. when asked ( i )whether he had a reason for opening the window, he says. when asked (ii) what his reason was, he says, it is awfully hot in here. He cannot answer the question negative. Is the fact that it is hot in the room a reason for opening the window? Muslims believe in the criminal versus in the Koran not for any valid reasons, but they are under hypnotic trance and indoctrination of mindless Mullahs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Yunus Sidira
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: What makes Muslims believe in the Quran?
It is settled that Mohammed was a rapist warlord who created his alter ego called Allah (Moon God of pre-Islamic decent Arabs) and packaged with Quran that is full of errors, teachings of hatred and violence that make its follower two-legged brutes, and scientific blunders.
Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to
justify nonsense.
-Yunus
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Lal Gehi
To:
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
THE SO CALLED RELIGION, OF ISLAM, WHICH IS TORN IN 72 DIFFERENT SECTS, CAN NOT BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE.!!
PEACE DOES NOT POP OUT FROM PIECES OF PEACE. !!
FALSE ADVERTISE OF ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT RELIGION OF PEACE. !!
ACTIONS SPEAK, LOUDER THAN THE WORDS.!!
Lal
B i s m i l l a a h i r R a h m a a n i r R a h e e m
FAO: Kannan Devan, Yunus Sidira, and Lal Gehi
When a human is born he does not know things, but he has the means of knowledge, the mind, the sense of hearing and the sense of seeing. Man was born to search for truth and to come upon the truth, not to follow false ways. The false people who deny others their freedom of belief are of many types: corrupt scholars, monks, seers, rulers, and ignorant, misguided layman i.e. one who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.
Some of these false people go so far as to distort God's scriptures revealed to his messengers, in order to legitimize their whims. They corrupt those scriptures by adding foreign materials to them. I do not hesitate to say that tampering with people's faith and corrupting morality and values have become a routine job for certain groups from among the Christian missionaries, and people like you, who nurse a deep-set hatred for Islam, its Holy Book, Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him), and Muslims.
Choice of words is a process of intellect. Did the three (3) of you think that what you wrote about Islam's Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) was going to shock and anger our Muslim community? It just did not happen! It only revealed to us your individual mind(s) - minds psychologically in a state of confusion, battle, aggression, hate, and total misery - an appalling state of despair and frustration. Thus, I think you have a problem that precedes this one by more than an inch - and that, whoever you are, is your state of mind.
For example, your hands are perfectly harmonious with each other, your fingers move together and your eyes move with your hands (hopefully). But there may be conflict in your mind, absence of harmony between (lack of) the correct knowledge in your mind and your feelings insofar as you have internalised certain concepts or ideas which are then in conflict. Do you follow?
Your mind then sets up these strange dualities. And that is the problem. Are dualities created artificially? First of all because you are a Hindu, Jew, Christian or Buddhist, I am a Muslim and my religion is Islam and yours Hinduism, Judaism, Christinity or Taoism. Are they created artificially because each society has its own vested interest, each group has its own particular form of belief? Or is the division created in oneself by the 'me' and the 'not me'?
Yes, the 'me' is a conditioned entity The duality that bedevils us most, the duality of you and me, your God and my God, your religion and my religion. I have an image of you, you have an image of me. What I have gathered from your corrupt language, you have absolutely no capacity to see the rights of an individual's belief as it is, because you are only able to interpret it through your own terminology, your categories, your temperament, your prejudices and last but not least, your burning hatred for another's religious belief.
Since I am aware of your aversion to Muslims and Islam, I will not bother to impart the Muslim and Islamic views vis-à-vis people like you. I will, however, let non-Muslims tell you instead:
Quote -
Man can certainly flee from God... but he cannot escape Him. He can certainly hate God and be hateful to God, but he cannot change into its opposite the eternal love of God which triumphs even in his hate. Karl Barth
Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal
In time we hate that which we often fear. William Shakespeare
It belongs to human nature to hate those you have injured. Tacitus
Hate is the consequence of fear; we fear something before we hate it. Cyril
Connolly
When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate. Francois de
La Rochefoucauld
Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated. Coretta Scott King
A man who lives, not by what he loves but what he hates, is a sick man.
Archibald Macleish
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
James A. Baldwin
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. Hermann Hesse
The voice of the intelligence is drowned out by the roar of fear. It is ignored by the voice of desire. It is contradicted by the voice of shame. It is biased by hate and extinguished by anger. Most of all it is silenced by ignorance.
Karl A. Menninger
In hatred as in love, we grow like the thing we brood upon. What we loathe, we graft into our very soul. Mary Renault
There is no faculty of the human soul so persistent and universal as that of hatred. Henry Ward Beecher
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get. Confucius
Race hate isn't human nature; race hate is the abandonment of human nature.
Orson Welles
Hatred is self-punishment. Hosea Ballou
You cannot hate other people without hating your self. Oprah Winfrey
Hatred, which could destroy so much, never failed to destroy the man who hated and this was an immutable law. James Baldwin
Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater. George Washington Carver
Let them hate, so long as they fear. Lucius Accius
"... from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Herman Melville
Who can refute a sneer? William Paley - unquote.
One of you (Yunus Sidira) wrote: "Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to justify nonsense."
Yes, you are right - it is the Muslims' choice. And don't waste energy to justify (your) nonsense!
However, your disgraceful and shameless attitude towards Muslims, and the fanaticism and malice the three (3) of you reveal about yourselves is confirmed, that whenever there is a chance you will write utter nonsense about our Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) and Islam.
Where, then, is freedom of choice practised? Who is fanatic, and who is tolerant?
Don't bother to respond.
K a r i m a
DDN
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
Pedophile MohaMad was a messenger of death and doom. He raped a six year old girl Aisha, married 23 women, beheaded hundreds of innocent kafirs,
and was a slave trader.
___________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: Muslims believe in the Koran Under Hypnotic Trance
What makes Muslims to believe in the satanic versus in the unholy Koran? What makes Muslims to practice, preserve and promote Jihadi terrorism as prescribed in the Koran? We may ask Muslims the reason for his belief and practices? Consider the case of a posthypnotic suggestion. A man has been told, under hypnosis, to open the window five minutes after coming out of his hypnotic sleep. He acts accordingly. when asked ( i )whether he had a reason for opening the window, he says. when asked (ii) what his reason was, he says, it is awfully hot in here. He cannot answer the question negative. Is the fact that it is hot in the room a reason for opening the window? Muslims believe in the criminal versus in the Koran not for any valid reasons, but they are under hypnotic trance and indoctrination of mindless Mullahs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Yunus Sidira
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: What makes Muslims believe in the Quran?
It is settled that Mohammed was a rapist warlord who created his alter ego called Allah (Moon God of pre-Islamic decent Arabs) and packaged with Quran that is full of errors, teachings of hatred and violence that make its follower two-legged brutes, and scientific blunders.
Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to
justify nonsense.
-Yunus
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: Lal Gehi
To:
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
THE SO CALLED RELIGION, OF ISLAM, WHICH IS TORN IN 72 DIFFERENT SECTS, CAN NOT BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE.!!
PEACE DOES NOT POP OUT FROM PIECES OF PEACE. !!
FALSE ADVERTISE OF ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT RELIGION OF PEACE. !!
ACTIONS SPEAK, LOUDER THAN THE WORDS.!!
Lal
Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one Muslim has converted to Hinduism
Subject: Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism
Jai Hind 7/22/2005 3:55:05 AM
While millions of hindus have left the dark and paganism of hinduism to the more enlightened religion of islam and christianity
but i have yet to find 1, just 1 example of a muslim converting to hinduism
and in a democracy like india where there is religious freedom there must be plenty of examples of this happening
can you hindus please tell me of such cases
Quote Reply
Email Me When A New Comment Is Made
Show Only Poster Name and Title Sort in Reverse Order Posted
Pages: PREV 1 2 3 4 5 NEXT
hinduatma Give ,me an good example............. 8/6/2005 4:33:38 AM
Hindusim is not major religion of USA..and coming back to religious speeches in USQA.U must read speech by Swami Vivekananda in world congrees of religions in chicago .He has started his speech was received by standingh ovation..........I think every one in this world ackowledges Hindusim greatness.U may hate it for ur reason"mr jai hind" But the fact remains that hindusim has been and will be one of torch bearers of principle of ahimsa.our vedas teach us and our great father of nation has taught us.Ur nation all it has is Jiinnah...give me one good instance where jinnah was really ackowledged by world community ........U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story...................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated ,becos he has stood for cause of Hindu muslim unity.Hindusim has produced such a gr8 individuals..we have never produced osama,zwahiri,or say ramzi yusuf who are bent upon killing innocent ppl for seeking thier senseless fundamentalistic attitudes
Quote Reply
Green Dragon RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 5:38:32 AM
From what I understand of Judaism, they are no more interested in marketing their religion than Hinduism which is kind of ironic considering the typical anti-Semitic literature/rants. I fully agree that Islam is very focused on conversion, nay possibly obsessed. This necessarily begs the question of why? Islam as it is currently interpreted and practised requires a steady infusion of 'new blood' if it is to perpetuate itself. This is a result of social and cultural practises which mean that if Islam does not have a steady source of new converts it will wither and die as a faith system. I rely on the demographics, muslims openly proclaim how numerous they are, I don't disagree with their figures even when they are exaggerated because the truly Muslim and even the very few Islamic countries in the world seem to share a number of common and from my perspective undesirable traits. Namely, poor education, poor public health care, low life expectancy, government corruption and lack of a civil society. In western/westernised countries the greatest success rates for conversion to Islam occur in High Security Prisons amongst the inmates, as much as I would like to comment on this further I shall refain. To me it is perfectly natural that Islam must actively evangelise and successfully convert non-muslims by whatever means necessary or perish. As Hindus and Jews see no need to do so these faiths are most alien to the Muslim mind set and are thus accorded a disproportionate degree of Islamic hostility.
Quote Reply
IndianRaj RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 7:03:42 PM
I agree with you completely green dragon, the only people who convert to islam are the lowest members of societies...basically all the lowlifes and village idiots convert to islam.
Quote Reply
Khalsa Raj PAKIS - One of many many examples of enlightened people escaping your faith 9/7/2005 9:50:31 PM
Just reach Sant Lakhbir Singh of village Bakapur who became a devout Sikh after leaving Islam! Sant Lakhbir Singh (1860-1935) a convert to Sikhism was born Karim Baksh to Muslim parents, Natthua and Basri, at Bakapur, a sma11 village about 3 km from Phillaur, in the Punjab, which became the site of a big Sikh convention at the advent of the twentieth century. Karim Bakhsh had a religious bent of mind from the very beginning. This disturbed his family, who, to detract him from his lonely ways, married him to a girl, named Jlndo, when he was barely twelve. At the age of 15, Karim Bakhsh's quest for spiritual company took him to a Sikh saint, Bhai lkahla Singh of Banga, in Jalandhar district. He spent two years at his feet. After Bhai Kahla Singh's death, Karim Baksh Sought solace in the service of his disciple, Bhai illa Singh of Thakurval, in Hoshiarpur district. For twelve years he presentcd himsclf once every week in the holy saligat at Thakurval, about 30 km away from his village.
Quote Reply
musloko-maro RE:Give ,me an good example............. 9/7/2005 10:07:26 PM
hinduatma ----U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story..................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated----- Let me get this straight! Did Gandhi, yes Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the Mahatma, Porbhandar born Bania, ever vist the U.S. of A.? I could not find any info regarding this. The only thing 'American" Gandhi ever had was the Ingersoll silver pocket watch, valued at $8 dollars(then) and he used the two door Buick car, U.S. made, to visit the Viceroy, after the Jalianwallabagh massacre, and that was well before proceeding to the Round Table Conference, in London. Correct me, if I am wrong. Here's the shocker! BTW, Gandhi, with his avowedly pacifism & peace policy was termed as India's national misfortune by many, including Moti Lal Nehru(father of Jawahar Lal) and Sarojini Naidu said, that it took millions of rupees to keep the Mahatma poor!
Quote Reply
counterstrike RE:Give ,me an good example............. 10/13/2005 3:33:47 AM
renegade u waited and analysed this long to give such a funny answer..lol ever heard of sharuk Khan, Salman Khan,........ there are so many of them they dominate the Indian film Industry. come on just don't give such absurd answers, let finish this off ok ISLAM is a good religion so is HINDUISIM I like ISLAM & HINUISIM, so why do we want fight like idiots and become a toast to the westerners?
Quote Reply
trustedsourceofinfo RE:To tell you the truth.... 10/14/2005 2:49:27 AM
To tell you the truth-none of you Pakistanis have the faintest clue either abt Islam or the Koran! I am sick and tired of reading these stories abt people killing in the name of the prophet even in your holy month. The Koran needs to be revamped totally or discarded!its too much of a threat to the free world!
Quote Reply
Shirrush RE: Conversion to Hinduism??? 10/14/2005 3:21:54 PM
You all must pardon my crass ignorance, but I was not aware that such a thing even existed. Conversion to Islam is a process that culminates solemnly with the convert saying the Shahadah, becoming a Christian involves Baptism, Communion, and the abjuration of any previous faith, and you'd better be female if you're long-winded and patient enough to want to become Jewish, because otherwise it'd hurt in addition to driving you bonkers! I've seen people adopting Hindu rituals, ideas and dietary restriction, but none of them ever mentioned any sort of conversion process or being certified as a full card-bearing Hindu by a Brahmin or any other sort of religious authority. Most Jews, like most Westerners, usually chose the less complex and somewhat less demanding Buddhism as their way to apostasy (shame on them!), but I've heard of quite a few instances of people joining an ashram and then staying on for the whole thing, without ever undergoing anything even remotely reminiscent of a conversion ceremony. I think it is a given that many Hindus have converted to Islam in the last few decades in order to escape their lower-caste condition, but isn't it true that even more have joined the actively-proselytizing Catholic Church, especially in South India? When I was growing up in W. Europe, there was a convent across the street where I lived, and there were plenty of tiny brown, underfed-looking very young nun novices from Kerala looking out of place among the large burly fair-skinned teutonic natives. I also remember an authoritative, leading and high-ranking orthodox rabbi introducing us kids to the powerful attraction of the inclusiveness and of the inherent tolerance of the Hindu philosophy, by showing us Hebrew rabbinical-esoteric texts from the 17th or 18th century's India, where we could detect the strong Hindu odor of the reincarnation theory. Judaism per se focusses on earthly life and does not have much of a central afterlife mythology, so adapting the Indian thing to the Jewish taste went nowhere near heresy but this still exemplifies the power of Hinduism as the most ancient , most comprehensive and most complex of all extant religions.
Quote Reply
counterstrike RE:RENEGADE 10/30/2005 1:19:36 PM
idiot we already gave one or should I say many but ur dumb head thought for sometime and said he changed so that he could shine in BOLLYWOOD. so then what is religionof Shah rukh, AMIR Khan, SALMAN KHAN, Saif ALI KAHN...? but, why didn't this question arise in ur dumb head?....lol and I am still waiting for a nuteral source that says India Lost the Kargil war and lost 1000 men too.....LOL... ur are really any bad escape artist.
Quote Reply
enlighten RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 2:02:11 PM
That is the first step second islamic law/shariat law once muslim become majority then finally Talibanisation
Quote Reply
trustedsourceofinfo RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 5:15:00 PM
What is your point dude?
Quote Reply
wise man RE:Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism 9/16/2006 11:51:35 PM
There are plenty of instances of conversion from Islam to Hinduism, I provide one prominent example below:.
See: Khan, Abdul Majid, "Research about Muslim Aristocracy in East Pakistan" in Pierre Bessaignet edited book - Social Research in East Pakistan, Asiatic Society of Pakistan, (Dacca 1960)
On pages 23-25 it states that because of Caitanya's influence large scale conversions to Hinduism took place at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of nineteenth century
Quote Reply
musloko-maro 9/17/2006 9:46:38 AM
The caption should have been: Why is it that millions and millions of Hindus, along with with millions of non-muslims, have been raped/prostituted/sodomized into islam, and not the other way around? Now you know the answer!
Islam was accomplished through a terrorist manual called koran, devised by a caravan-theif-pedophile, who conveniently married his mush older employer kadhija and a six year old girl, and openly listed for his daughter-in-law, and had his son divorce his wife, so that he could bed his own ex daughter-in-law? SIMPLE!
Quote Reply
rogue Expansionism of islam and christianity 9/20/2006 1:22:22 AM
Hinduism is not expansionist by nature....hindu's do not strive to convert as many people to their religion as possible. Islam and christianity on the other hand are expansionist and so they are at the verge of a "another" major conflict. Adopting hinduism is a matter of personal choice rather than being either forced (islam) or lured (christianity) into conversion.
Quote Reply
musloko-maro 9/20/2006 4:08:22 PM
Yesterday, the BBC reported a 18 yr old Muslim girl in England went to India to marry her 21 yr old Hindu boyfriend, whom she met on the internet, and married him.
The photo showed the girl and the boy with garlands. Neither the boy chose leave Hindu faith nor the girl chose to become a Hindu, though the wedding was solemnised in a generic Hindu style, which is impossible in islam.
The girl's father in England(last name Gaur) was highly distraught, and exploded in no uncertain terms. The mother of the girl wanted the boy to convert to islam save himself and the marriage and the girl!
Thank goodness and fairplay, the boy and the girl chose to live in India, after getting married
Taken from http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/72-13262/page3.aspx
Jai Hind 7/22/2005 3:55:05 AM
While millions of hindus have left the dark and paganism of hinduism to the more enlightened religion of islam and christianity
but i have yet to find 1, just 1 example of a muslim converting to hinduism
and in a democracy like india where there is religious freedom there must be plenty of examples of this happening
can you hindus please tell me of such cases
Quote Reply
Email Me When A New Comment Is Made
Show Only Poster Name and Title Sort in Reverse Order Posted
Pages: PREV 1 2 3 4 5 NEXT
hinduatma Give ,me an good example............. 8/6/2005 4:33:38 AM
Hindusim is not major religion of USA..and coming back to religious speeches in USQA.U must read speech by Swami Vivekananda in world congrees of religions in chicago .He has started his speech was received by standingh ovation..........I think every one in this world ackowledges Hindusim greatness.U may hate it for ur reason"mr jai hind" But the fact remains that hindusim has been and will be one of torch bearers of principle of ahimsa.our vedas teach us and our great father of nation has taught us.Ur nation all it has is Jiinnah...give me one good instance where jinnah was really ackowledged by world community ........U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story...................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated ,becos he has stood for cause of Hindu muslim unity.Hindusim has produced such a gr8 individuals..we have never produced osama,zwahiri,or say ramzi yusuf who are bent upon killing innocent ppl for seeking thier senseless fundamentalistic attitudes
Quote Reply
Green Dragon RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 5:38:32 AM
From what I understand of Judaism, they are no more interested in marketing their religion than Hinduism which is kind of ironic considering the typical anti-Semitic literature/rants. I fully agree that Islam is very focused on conversion, nay possibly obsessed. This necessarily begs the question of why? Islam as it is currently interpreted and practised requires a steady infusion of 'new blood' if it is to perpetuate itself. This is a result of social and cultural practises which mean that if Islam does not have a steady source of new converts it will wither and die as a faith system. I rely on the demographics, muslims openly proclaim how numerous they are, I don't disagree with their figures even when they are exaggerated because the truly Muslim and even the very few Islamic countries in the world seem to share a number of common and from my perspective undesirable traits. Namely, poor education, poor public health care, low life expectancy, government corruption and lack of a civil society. In western/westernised countries the greatest success rates for conversion to Islam occur in High Security Prisons amongst the inmates, as much as I would like to comment on this further I shall refain. To me it is perfectly natural that Islam must actively evangelise and successfully convert non-muslims by whatever means necessary or perish. As Hindus and Jews see no need to do so these faiths are most alien to the Muslim mind set and are thus accorded a disproportionate degree of Islamic hostility.
Quote Reply
IndianRaj RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 7:03:42 PM
I agree with you completely green dragon, the only people who convert to islam are the lowest members of societies...basically all the lowlifes and village idiots convert to islam.
Quote Reply
Khalsa Raj PAKIS - One of many many examples of enlightened people escaping your faith 9/7/2005 9:50:31 PM
Just reach Sant Lakhbir Singh of village Bakapur who became a devout Sikh after leaving Islam! Sant Lakhbir Singh (1860-1935) a convert to Sikhism was born Karim Baksh to Muslim parents, Natthua and Basri, at Bakapur, a sma11 village about 3 km from Phillaur, in the Punjab, which became the site of a big Sikh convention at the advent of the twentieth century. Karim Bakhsh had a religious bent of mind from the very beginning. This disturbed his family, who, to detract him from his lonely ways, married him to a girl, named Jlndo, when he was barely twelve. At the age of 15, Karim Bakhsh's quest for spiritual company took him to a Sikh saint, Bhai lkahla Singh of Banga, in Jalandhar district. He spent two years at his feet. After Bhai Kahla Singh's death, Karim Baksh Sought solace in the service of his disciple, Bhai illa Singh of Thakurval, in Hoshiarpur district. For twelve years he presentcd himsclf once every week in the holy saligat at Thakurval, about 30 km away from his village.
Quote Reply
musloko-maro RE:Give ,me an good example............. 9/7/2005 10:07:26 PM
hinduatma ----U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story..................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated----- Let me get this straight! Did Gandhi, yes Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the Mahatma, Porbhandar born Bania, ever vist the U.S. of A.? I could not find any info regarding this. The only thing 'American" Gandhi ever had was the Ingersoll silver pocket watch, valued at $8 dollars(then) and he used the two door Buick car, U.S. made, to visit the Viceroy, after the Jalianwallabagh massacre, and that was well before proceeding to the Round Table Conference, in London. Correct me, if I am wrong. Here's the shocker! BTW, Gandhi, with his avowedly pacifism & peace policy was termed as India's national misfortune by many, including Moti Lal Nehru(father of Jawahar Lal) and Sarojini Naidu said, that it took millions of rupees to keep the Mahatma poor!
Quote Reply
counterstrike RE:Give ,me an good example............. 10/13/2005 3:33:47 AM
renegade u waited and analysed this long to give such a funny answer..lol ever heard of sharuk Khan, Salman Khan,........ there are so many of them they dominate the Indian film Industry. come on just don't give such absurd answers, let finish this off ok ISLAM is a good religion so is HINDUISIM I like ISLAM & HINUISIM, so why do we want fight like idiots and become a toast to the westerners?
Quote Reply
trustedsourceofinfo RE:To tell you the truth.... 10/14/2005 2:49:27 AM
To tell you the truth-none of you Pakistanis have the faintest clue either abt Islam or the Koran! I am sick and tired of reading these stories abt people killing in the name of the prophet even in your holy month. The Koran needs to be revamped totally or discarded!its too much of a threat to the free world!
Quote Reply
Shirrush RE: Conversion to Hinduism??? 10/14/2005 3:21:54 PM
You all must pardon my crass ignorance, but I was not aware that such a thing even existed. Conversion to Islam is a process that culminates solemnly with the convert saying the Shahadah, becoming a Christian involves Baptism, Communion, and the abjuration of any previous faith, and you'd better be female if you're long-winded and patient enough to want to become Jewish, because otherwise it'd hurt in addition to driving you bonkers! I've seen people adopting Hindu rituals, ideas and dietary restriction, but none of them ever mentioned any sort of conversion process or being certified as a full card-bearing Hindu by a Brahmin or any other sort of religious authority. Most Jews, like most Westerners, usually chose the less complex and somewhat less demanding Buddhism as their way to apostasy (shame on them!), but I've heard of quite a few instances of people joining an ashram and then staying on for the whole thing, without ever undergoing anything even remotely reminiscent of a conversion ceremony. I think it is a given that many Hindus have converted to Islam in the last few decades in order to escape their lower-caste condition, but isn't it true that even more have joined the actively-proselytizing Catholic Church, especially in South India? When I was growing up in W. Europe, there was a convent across the street where I lived, and there were plenty of tiny brown, underfed-looking very young nun novices from Kerala looking out of place among the large burly fair-skinned teutonic natives. I also remember an authoritative, leading and high-ranking orthodox rabbi introducing us kids to the powerful attraction of the inclusiveness and of the inherent tolerance of the Hindu philosophy, by showing us Hebrew rabbinical-esoteric texts from the 17th or 18th century's India, where we could detect the strong Hindu odor of the reincarnation theory. Judaism per se focusses on earthly life and does not have much of a central afterlife mythology, so adapting the Indian thing to the Jewish taste went nowhere near heresy but this still exemplifies the power of Hinduism as the most ancient , most comprehensive and most complex of all extant religions.
Quote Reply
counterstrike RE:RENEGADE 10/30/2005 1:19:36 PM
idiot we already gave one or should I say many but ur dumb head thought for sometime and said he changed so that he could shine in BOLLYWOOD. so then what is religionof Shah rukh, AMIR Khan, SALMAN KHAN, Saif ALI KAHN...? but, why didn't this question arise in ur dumb head?....lol and I am still waiting for a nuteral source that says India Lost the Kargil war and lost 1000 men too.....LOL... ur are really any bad escape artist.
Quote Reply
enlighten RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 2:02:11 PM
That is the first step second islamic law/shariat law once muslim become majority then finally Talibanisation
Quote Reply
trustedsourceofinfo RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 5:15:00 PM
What is your point dude?
Quote Reply
wise man RE:Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism 9/16/2006 11:51:35 PM
There are plenty of instances of conversion from Islam to Hinduism, I provide one prominent example below:.
See: Khan, Abdul Majid, "Research about Muslim Aristocracy in East Pakistan" in Pierre Bessaignet edited book - Social Research in East Pakistan, Asiatic Society of Pakistan, (Dacca 1960)
On pages 23-25 it states that because of Caitanya's influence large scale conversions to Hinduism took place at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of nineteenth century
Quote Reply
musloko-maro 9/17/2006 9:46:38 AM
The caption should have been: Why is it that millions and millions of Hindus, along with with millions of non-muslims, have been raped/prostituted/sodomized into islam, and not the other way around? Now you know the answer!
Islam was accomplished through a terrorist manual called koran, devised by a caravan-theif-pedophile, who conveniently married his mush older employer kadhija and a six year old girl, and openly listed for his daughter-in-law, and had his son divorce his wife, so that he could bed his own ex daughter-in-law? SIMPLE!
Quote Reply
rogue Expansionism of islam and christianity 9/20/2006 1:22:22 AM
Hinduism is not expansionist by nature....hindu's do not strive to convert as many people to their religion as possible. Islam and christianity on the other hand are expansionist and so they are at the verge of a "another" major conflict. Adopting hinduism is a matter of personal choice rather than being either forced (islam) or lured (christianity) into conversion.
Quote Reply
musloko-maro 9/20/2006 4:08:22 PM
Yesterday, the BBC reported a 18 yr old Muslim girl in England went to India to marry her 21 yr old Hindu boyfriend, whom she met on the internet, and married him.
The photo showed the girl and the boy with garlands. Neither the boy chose leave Hindu faith nor the girl chose to become a Hindu, though the wedding was solemnised in a generic Hindu style, which is impossible in islam.
The girl's father in England(last name Gaur) was highly distraught, and exploded in no uncertain terms. The mother of the girl wanted the boy to convert to islam save himself and the marriage and the girl!
Thank goodness and fairplay, the boy and the girl chose to live in India, after getting married
Taken from http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/72-13262/page3.aspx
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)