Wednesday, December 8, 2010

Jesus and The Children of Israel

Srizals said. Response Part 1 Firstly read them and you will see Jesus's declaration of himself before men as he walked the earth during his ministry and scriptures confirming by the Holy Prophets (who incidentally your Surah confirms as such in its early pages!) of who Messiah was and must be ie, Son of Man and Son Of God! The Qu'ran states in Early parts that Surah 3:48 3:48 And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel Surah 5:44 [5:44] We have sent down the Torah, containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD's scripture, and as witnessed by them. Surah 5:46-47 [5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. [5:47] The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked. Surah 5:48 Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed. Surah 40:53 40:53 And We verily gave Moses the guidance, and We caused the Children of Israel to inherit the Scripture. Muslims supposedly accept the Torah, Psalms and Four gospels yet this is the declaration of Christians that all these passages and other parts of Scripture reveal Prophecy of Jesus and his Messiahship (which Mohammed later rejected to avoid the obvious conflict between the Bible and Moslems as the Qu'ran contradicts itself and not only the Old and New Testament)Which the qu'ran states were perverted(by whom?) and were replaced by the new revelation recorded in the Qu'ran! So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 12:07

Srizals said. Response Part 2 Allah is not YHWH as he is the Moon God of the Kaaba, an idol god amongst many chosen by Mohammed because he was the chief god of his tribe....Historical Fact! The Old and New Testament call YHWH 'The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or The God of Israel' NEVER the God of Ishmael or Esau or any of Abraham's illegitimate sons including Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. You are not of the Abrahamic Covenant (through Ishmael) and neither are Christians as we are not of Racial descent of the promise of the Land nor of King David but our Faith and righteous is accorded to us through the same belief as Abraham revealed by YHWH in The Redeemer Jesus Christ (the one true sacrifice for sin). As Moslems believe they are racially descendent from Ishmael yet No scripture in the Old or New Testament states this to be the case what is your assumption made on? Not so, then consider this [5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people. God Gives the Holy Land to Israel Surah 5:20-21 [5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people. [5:21] "O my people, enter the holy land that GOD has decreed for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers." Were not Moses 'people' The Children of Israel not Children of Ishmael? Were there not Egyptians,Persians Akkadians,Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites,Sumerians etc who lived before, during and after Abraham? What tragedy happened to them , these millions of people who were not descendent of Abraham. Where are they or where did they go? It is not my job to read them for you but for you to do so and come to the correct conclusion..Agreed? So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 12:10

Srizals said 6 December 2010 01:45 Did you need more? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:30-33 I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 10:36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? John 13:13 You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am. John 14:6-7 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 12:33

Srizals said 6 December 2010 01:45 What..EVEN MORE? John 14:9-11 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves. John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[a] which He purchased with His own blood. Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 1st Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God[a] was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world,Received up in glory. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Or are the Prophets and Apostles who spoke Prophecy and performed Miracles not to be believed whereas your faith shows no Prophecy or miracles that were viewed by Unbelievers and testified as true??? Psalm 119:89 'LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven'. So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 12:39

srizals said...
Len, about your claim that Islam followed pagan rituals. Interestingly the pagan rituals that you have said followed by Muslims were vanquished by Muslims themselves. That the pagan Arabs were corrected of their mistake of worshipping false gods never been decreed by Allah Himself was never brought up. Yes, the pagans went astray after hundred years past by since the time of Prophet Abraham and his first born son, Prophet Ismail. That is why Muhammad, a man one of their own was sent to purify them. Correcting them and leading them to the right way to God. All the idols were destroyed in and around Kaabah when Muslims entered the city. If they are said to be blood thirsty, they could have waged war previously if not for the Hudaibiya treaty which showed historically the true nature of Muslims, since then until now. They prefer peace instead of war. The fact that they were surrounded by enemies mightier and wealthier than them has been distorted to show Muslims are maligned creatures. The fact that they were considered slaves by two super powers at that time never got any mention. The fact that the pagans had tortured, confiscated their belongings and oppressed them inhumanely was not known. Threaten with annihilation, strangely today Christians, some, are questioning why Muhammad and Muslims had to fight. Maybe if the Muslims perished at that time, this issue won’t be brought up and it would be cleared by a mighty pagan emperor in some arranged council for the sake of men, sorry, God. The ones that said Allah was a moon god or He had daughters were pagans, mislead by their own whims. The Prophet corrected them and saved them. Islam is continuum since Adam a.s. remains the fact denied by many. The corruptions was corrected. Strangely, the pagans' likeliness to use the term son of god still exists in a faith I'm not entitled to disclose here. Why Len?
8 December 2010 03:58

srizals said...
Matt. 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Someone in the bible didn't think so Mr. KNIGHTOFHIGHCS John 4:19 "Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet." Matt. 22:37 "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment." Why didn't he just said love me your god or the son of god? THE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation."

8 December 2010 04:11

srizals said...
Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, If not for the council of Nicaea and the fact there are so many writers of the bible, and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus, I would have accept evertyhing in the Bible as genuine. Christianity developed in a secretive and exclusive manner just like Judaism. Not everyone can recite and know and memorise those holy books. That is how they got corrupted. Not everyone knew about them. Those who dared were considered heretics, burnt and destroyed like the Ebionites and Cathars, to name a few. Not to mention that more Chritians went instinct under Roman's presecution before and after the council. For instance, how many verses you can read precisely without looking at the bible? Do you dare to ask any common Muslim? The first verse is recited daily in their 5 times a day prayer. How could anyone corrupted and changed them?

8 December 2010 04:30

srizals said...
Is this the proof of a Judaeo-Christian heritage Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS? John 10:30-33 I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

8 December 2010 04:48

srizals said...
Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you…. This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” — John 17:1,3 Was Jesus praying to himself or a part of separate entity of himself? Or should we say something has been tampered with? The definition of son and father in the bible is also controversial as it is translated from different languages.

8 December 2010 04:57

srizals said...
With your kind permission your grace, Kingofhighcs, allow me to finish what you have quoted incompletely. [3:45] (Remember the time) when the angels said: “O Maryam, Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him whose name is MasīH ‘Īsā , the son of Maryam (the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary) a man of status in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those who are near (to Allah). [3:46] He shall speak to people while (he is still) in the cradle, and also later, when he is of mature age; and he shall be one of the righteous.” [3:47] She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be. [3:48] He shall teach him the Book and the Wisdom, and the Torah and the Injīl, [3:49] and (shall make him) a messenger to the Children of Isrā’īl (who will say to them): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that is, I create for you from clay something in the shape of a bird, then I blow in it, and it becomes a living bird by the will of Allah; and I cure the born-blind and the leper, and I cause the dead to become alive by the will of Allah; and I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your homes. In this there is surely a sign for you, if you are (truly) believers. [3:50] (I have come to you) confirming that (book) which is (sent down) prior to me, that is, the Torah, and to make permissible for you some of what was prohibited to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. So, fear Allah and obey me. [3:51] Allah is surely my Lord and your Lord. So, worship Him. This is the straight path.” [3:52] So, when ‘Īsā sensed disbelief in them, he said: “Who are my helpers in the way of Allah?” The disciples said: “We are helpers of Allah. We believe in Allah; so be our witness that we are Muslims.” [3:53] “Our Lord, we have believed in what You have revealed, and we have followed the messenger. So, record us with those who bear witness (to the Truth).” [3:54] They (the opponents of ‘Īsā) devised a plan, and Allah devised a plan. And Allah is the best of all planners. [3:55] When Allah said: “O ‘Īsā , I am to take you in full and to raise you towards Myself, and to cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and to place those who follow you above those who disbelieve up to the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in that over which you have differed. [3:56] As for those who disbelieve, I shall punish them a severe punishment in this world and in the Hereafter; and for them there are no helpers.” [3:57] As for those who believe and do good deeds, He (Allah) will give them their rewards in full. Allah does not like transgressors. [3:58] This We recite to you of the Verses and the Message that is full of wisdom. [3:59] Surely, the case of ‘Īsā , in the sight of Allah, is like the case of ’Edam . He created him from dust, then He said to him, “Be”, and he came to be. [3:60] The truth is from your Lord. So, do not be of those who doubt. [3:61] If someone argues with you (O Prophet) over this after the knowledge that has come to you, say (to him), “Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then (let us) pray and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars.” [3:62] This is, indeed, the true narration. There exists no god but Allah. Allah is surely the Almighty, the All-Wise. [3:63] So, should they turn back, Allah is fully aware of the mischievous people. [3:64] Say, “O people of the Book, come to a word common between us and between you, that we worship none but Allah, that we associate nothing with Him and that some of us do not take others as Lords instead of Allah.” Then, should they turn back, say, “Bear witness that we are Muslims.” [3:65] O people of the Book, why do you argue about Ibrāhīm, while the Torah and the Injīl were not revealed until after him? Have you, then, no sense?

8 December 2010 05:09

srizals said...
Another context from your quotes of the Koran. Pardon me your grace. [5:12] Allah has made the Children of Israel take a pledge. We appointed twelve chiefs from among them. Allah said, “I am surely with you. If you establish Salāh, and pay Zakāh, and believe in My Messengers, and hold them in reverence, and advance to Allah a goodly loan, I shall certainly write off your evil deeds, and I shall certainly admit you into Gardens beneath which rivers flow. So, whoever from you disbelieves after that has lost the straight path.” [5:13] So, because they broke their pledge, We cursed them and made their hearts hardened. They change words from their places, and they have overlooked a good deal of the Advice they were given. Every now and then you come across a certain treachery from all of them, except a few. So, forgive them and forego. Indeed, Allah loves those who are good in deeds. [5:14] And from those who say, “We are Christians,” We took a pledge. So, they have overlooked a good deal of the Advice they were given. So, We had them stuck with enmity and malice among them right through the Day of Doom, and (then) Allah will tell them what they were doing. [5:15] O people of the Book, there has come to you Our Messenger disclosing to you much of what you have been concealing of the Book, while He overlooks much. There has come to you, from Allah, a Light and a clear Book; [5:16] with it Allah guides those who follow His pleasure to the pathways of peace, and brings them out, by His will, from the depths of darkness into the light, and guides them to a straight path. [5:17] Certainly, infidels are those who say, “God is the MasīH, son of Maryam (Jesus son of Mary).” Say, “Who then has the power to do anything against Allah, if He wills to eliminate the MasīH son of Maryam and his mother and all those on earth?” Unto Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them. He creates what He wills. Allah is powerful over everything. [5:18] The Jews and the Christians say, “We are the sons of Allah and His favourites.” Say, “Why then would He punish you for your sins? In fact, you are just human, among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills.” Unto Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them, and unto Him is the return.
8 December 2010 05:21

srizals said...
[5:19] O people of the Book, Our Messenger has come to you making things clear to you after a gap between Messengers, lest you were to say, “There has not come to us a bearer of good news, and a warner.” So, now there has come to you a bearer of good news, and a warner. Allah is powerful over everything. [5:20] (Recall) when Mūsā said to his people, “O my people, remember the blessing of Allah upon you when He made prophets from among you, made you kings and gave you what He did not give to anyone in the worlds. [5:21] O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you, and do not turn back, lest you should turn losers.” [5:22] They said, “O Mūsā, there is a nation of tyrants over there, and we shall never enter it until they get out of it. If they do get out of it, we are ready to go in.” [5:23] Said two men from among the God-fearing, on whom Allah had bestowed His favour, “Enter the gate (charging) upon them. Once you have entered it, you will be the ones who will prevail. In Allah you must place your trust, if you are believers.” [5:24] They said, “O Mūsā, we shall never enter it, in any case, so long as they are there. So go, you and your Lord, and fight. As for us, we are sitting right here.” [5:25] He said, “O my Lord, I have no control except over myself and my brother. So, make a distinction between us and the sinning people.” [5:26] He (Allah) said, “This (land) is prohibited to them for forty years. They shall be wandering around the earth. So, do not grieve for the sinning people.”

8 December 2010 05:24

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