Oswin, a man can say whatever he wants to. Backing them up with solid evidences and examples to support his arguments is something else. For you, I'll provide this link about the one that died on the cross. The heritage goes longer back in history than D Singh could have ever imagined. Len might not like the paganism element involved. Non Mouse would constantly be in the state of denial, as most are.
I have not encountered any counter measure by any Christians even until now, except denial without refuting them with evidences and examples. Hope you can. As for the abundant lies against Islam, I have almost all the answers refuting them in the web links in my blog, if I can't find them or think they are not enough, I'll use my own neurons to assist me. The answers were not refuted by anyone, convincingly, as the allegations themselves in the first place.
For example, the only culture and religion that specifically had torture as their norm is Christianity and White Caucasians. It was instrumental only to them; Narni was one great, recent example. Gaza, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are their continuum.
Second, the only religion and culture that killed civilians/dissidents horribly was/is based on Christianity and White Caucasians. The only creature that used weapon of mass destruction on civilians instead of heavily armed armies was not man as many scientists would suggest. I reject being generalised with them. We should narrow down the category for better understanding.
The major culprits in exploiting sex to corrupt the human race while profiting on them without shame, are none other, well, you guessed it right, Ernst.
All these events were not isolated instances nor did they happen in a short lapse of time, definitely not limited occurrences. They were wide spread, consistent and had a long life span.
The only religious institution tarred by sexual scandals worldwide is based on Christianity and White Caucasians as do major paedophiles, worldwide too, in the past and even now.
It is better to focus on your own religion and culture than trying to defile others. You may not like the end result.
The only new sect of religion born out of a king's desire to divorce his queen and marry another was also based on Christianity and a specific identifiable race.
True, some would say these examples were committed by criminals. The only problem is that they were not considered by criminals by the majority of their culture and religion. Most remained in powerful and luxurious position, Scot free even he's English. Some would not dare to go to certain countries in fear of indictment, of course.
Oswin, please provide the examples and evidences that you have as proof against Islam. If I can, I'll address them here or in my blog. Elegant silence is no longer the rule of the day. It would only be showing the obvious.
Last but not least, the region of Caucasus that was said as the origin of Whites had not been Christians for a long time now. They even survived Stalin and the Gulag. As all the same people that believed as they had believed. It made them indestructible. No matter what the tyrants and their democratic compatriots did and do to them. The Aryans and the ten lost tribes of Israel are not Christians too. They are now battling the Western occupying forces, defending their beloved motherland of Afghanistan and Pakistan, outgunned as always. Undefeated as always. They are the master race remember?
Have you actually read the Koran? I doubt it if you have or you wouldn't claim Islam to be a non-violent creed. Beating women, cutting off hands, killing non-Muslims as a quick route to paradise, telling lies to unbelievers, having no unbeliever friends, hatred of Jews, not supporting unbelievers against a Muslim no matter if he is wrong etc etc. Mohammed went with a young girl and most Caucasians would call him a paedophile. It is easy to claim Muslims are not paedophiles when Islam makes it acceptabel. I note that we have quite a lot of Pakistani paedophiles in this country or don't they count?
You are delusional.
Haven't we done this before old chap? I seem to recall you saying so yourself, yes?
It cannot have escaped your notice that your revered prophet does not stand too close a scrutiny? I think I've said before: bandit, con-man, war-leader, murderer, extortionist, womaniser and, possibly worse still, yes?
Each and all accusations have been put to you before, with all relevent references supplied, which you have never addressed, but sought to bamboozle with your inimitable, and wide-ranging smoke-screen of bluster, blether and piffle.
I hope, old bean, that you and your family are well?
"It is better to focus on your own religion and culture than trying to defile others. You may not like the end result."
These sentences are functional if unconnected, and presumably he echoes them without further reflection. Willy nilly is, indeed, his method for assembling the decoupage that he fondly credits as research.
The smoke from his sizzling cigarette paper may blind this non-communicant, and so he ignores the body of His Grace's present post. On the other hand, perhaps there's less behind the cobbler's mask than even I suppose, for he betrays no understanding of either what he reads, or what he writes.
If he's located where he claims to be, one likes to imagine that he will not receive a Census form --
Nevertheless, my message to this Other is: "Mind Your Own."
"Wiccans, druids, shamans, sacred ecologists, odinists and heathens all make up parts of the Pagan community."
Oswin, A man that reacts to situations at hand must be judged by the situations that exist around him at that time. For example, you're not going to kill anyone around you in where you live since you're not at war. No one is trying to kill you and your loved ones, confiscated your belongings, driving you out from your home, stripping you to the bone, literally. You are not in a state of war nor being threaten constantly to annihilation by greater, cruel foes that find torturing and killing as amusing. So you don’t have to confiscate the belongings of your enemy to stop their ability to destroy you while financing your own defence effort after exhaustive oral defence. The West took it further by introducing the concept of total war, which literally means, everyone and everything has to perish in order to destroy the enemy’s capabilities to make war. They don’t like it when the terrorists copied their total war concept though. The West had adopted the same oral defence by reminding the Germans that the Nazi had been lying to them that they cannot win the war and foremost they would not relent. And millions of Germans perished after the war was over, everyone, even those who do not agree with Hitler. Only the smart Nazis would live on lavishly in the US to err, help with NASA and all.
Anon at 15:12,
You don't even know your own church history. Read first and maybe we'll talk later. Give yourself an identity. Stop being a brave anonymous commenter. I don’t think you know the characteristics of a paedophile. A paedophile exploits, dehumanises and tends to kill his victims to satisfy his sick needs! A husband does not. A victim suffers in humiliation and resents his/her torturer. A wife is respected, honoured and treated with dignity in what is resented by most nowadays, by most Westerners, a decent legal family unit. A wife does not suffer anything as a victim has suffered.
The Christian Byzantium royals practised young marriages, and even your past Christian king! I'll be careful if I were you. You might end up saying bad things about your own royalty and decent Christian’s history. However, these are the only documented events in history we know of. Most will never be known. Interestingly, the likely ages for a young woman to marry in the West then were not like today. Most importantly, a girl is not a girl when she is a woman. If you don't understand this, ask any scientist, better, a biologist. The late age of marriage nowadays are the result of none other but the availability of contraceptive pills and modernity requirements. Everything is too expensive and overly priced since most can only eat millions and billions of money. We need to have lots of papers and plastics to live nowadays to feed their greed. A thousand years ago, we would have been stoned to death for not paying our bills with gold and silver.
Oswin, A man that reacts to situations at hand must be judged by the situations that exist around him at that time. For example, you're not going to kill anyone around you in where you live since you're not at war. No one is trying to kill you and your loved ones, confiscated your belongings, driving you out from your home, stripping you to the bone, literally. You are not in a state of war nor being threaten constantly to annihilation by greater, cruel foes that find torturing and killing as amusing. So you don’t have to confiscate the belongings of your enemy to stop their ability to destroy you while financing your own defence effort after exhaustive oral defence. The West took it further by introducing the concept of total war, which literally means, everyone and everything has to perish in order to destroy the enemy’s capabilities to make war. They don’t like it when the terrorists copied their total war concept though. The West had adopted the same oral defence by reminding the Germans that the Nazi had been lying to them that they cannot win the war and foremost they would not relent. And millions of Germans perished after the war was over, everyone, even those who do not agree with Hitler.
Anon at 15:12,
You don't even know your own church history. Read first and maybe we'll talk later. Give yourself an identity. Stop being a brave anonymous commentor. I don’t think you know the characteristics of a paedophile. A paedophile exploits, dehumanises and tends to kill his victims to satisfy his sick needs! A husband does not. A victim suffers in humiliation and resents his/her torturer. A wife is respected, honoured and treated with dignity in what is resented by most nowadays, by most Westerners, a decent legal family unit. A wife does not suffer anything as a victim has suffered.
The Christian Byzantium royals practised young marriages, and even your past Christian king! I'll be careful if I were you. You might end up saying bad things about your own royalty and decent Christian’s history. However, these are the only documented events in history we know of.
The tendency of not marrying at all while living like a husband and wife is a widespread norm in most Christian based countries. It is never a norm in any Muslim based countries.
You said the prophet was a paedophile, so he’s a sadistic criminal. There must be victims (since a paedophile can’t stop at only a victim) that despised him, hated him so much that they would do anything to have justice and exposed his evil to the society, remember, a paedophile preys on little girls and boys and never marries them. (It was never a paedophile’s intention to be a good husband and older victims with proper bodily function cannot satisfy his manipulative and sadistic lust). Name me one victim if you can. If there is no victim, could there be a crime? Interestingly, do you know since when was this allegation started? Right after his marriage or a thousand years after? And we all age with time, so did Aisyah r.a. She grew wiser and older with her husband and continued his mission long after he’s return to the Lord’s mercy. No one dared to refute her since only a wife knew her husband better than anyone. Islam was preserved in this way despite conflicts that follow shortly after the prophet’s return to God’s mercy, as we all will, I pray.
Anon at 19:45,
Isn’t that what you're likely doing? Instead of addressing what I've raised, you just talk elegantly without any facts as comparison to refute me. A linguist I presume? Sorry for my mistake.
"It is better for us to focus on our own religion and culture than trying to defile others. We may not like the end result." There, I have amended the sentences. Thank you for reminding me.
Contraception has little to do with the age of marriage. The minimum age of marriage is set by law and is well above what Mohammed considered acceptable when searching out young girls.
There are a lot of victims of Muslim paedophiles in this country. See recent cases of Muslim Pakistanis. As you are on the internet look up the meaning of paedophile as you obviously don't know it. For girls it seems to be accepted that the minimum definition is sex with pre-pubescent females. Obviously many Muslims commit much worse offences than this.
I used anonymous as I don't have a google account. Others use made up names. My real name, if it matters, is Hannam.
You claim a paedophile can't stop at one victim and never marries them. You seem very familiar with this! It is, however total nonsense. Are you really saying that if a Muslim rapes a 6 year old girl and then marries her 10 years later it wasn't a paedophile act? Complete nutter.
On victims: A young child may not know it is a victim so does that mean that Mohammed going with very young girls is not a paedophile act?
As I said before, delusional to which I add despicable and completely illogical.
Allow me to refer to the basis of a dominant religion familiar to you, since many Christians nowadays think that they have this Judea-Christian heritage,
1. “Child marriage was possible in Judaism, due to the very low marriageable age for females. A ketannah (literally meaning little [one]) was any girl between the age of 3 years and that of 12 years plus one day”
This article incorporates text from the 1901–1906 Jewish Encyclopedia article"Majority"
2. Baptism, usually at birth, was the fundamental rite of incorporation into the body of Christ and the Church…Betrothal, sometimes as early as the age of five, marked another stage in the child’s social incorporation.
(Byzantine Studies: 2006 Spring Symposium, http://www.doaks.org/byz_2006_symposium_abstracts.html)
3. “It is not uncommon case, especially in France, for a girl of scarce ten years to be married and a mother next year. . . . It seems portentous, and yet we sometimes see it, especially in Britain and Italy, that a tender child is married to a septuagenarian [i.e. a man in his seventies]. . . . Yet Church laws do not rescind such nuptials”
Quoted in G.G. Coulton, Medieval Panorama (New York: MacMillan, 1944), 639
4. In the twelfth century, Pope Alexander III ruled:
If a girl of tender age is betrothed and delivered to her husband, and afterwards desires to marry a different man, her petition is not to be granted if her husband swears that he has had carnal knowledge of her even at the early age of eleven or twelve.
Quoted in John Fulton, The Laws of Marriage (New York: E. and J.B. Young, 1883), 112.
5. Roman law gave the minimum age for marriage as that of puberty which was 14 for boys and 12 for girls; these remained the legal age for marriage until the late 19th Century in Britain…There is however evidence that child marriages were reasonably common in North West England in the 16th century
(Marriage: Laws and Customs, http://www.isle-of- man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/genealgy/marr.htm)
6. Further arguments that I don't wish to repeat here,
7. The origin of the word in dispute was coined in the 1950 -1955. It was not a problem before that I guess. The paedophiles had appeared and gave birth to the term we know of today.
1950–55; pedo-1 + -phile, or directly < Greek paidóphilos loving children
8. In Britain, for example, among the most notorious of criminals are Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, who in the two years ending in 1965 murdered a number of children, whom they buried on Saddleworth Moor. The children were sexually assaulted and tortured before being killed. The prospect of their release produces considerable public outcry whenever it is mooted.
10. “So what is happening in our schools? Why are young kids being sexulized at an early age? why is it that reports involving the high society of our world are involved in under age sex activities, and are you aware that in other EU countries the age of consent is from 9, why?”
11. 50k sex offenders in Britain can remove their names from police registers.
12. MORE than 25,000 paedophiles are living in Scotland, according to a shocking new report.
Bob McLachlan, who ran the Metropolitan Police Paedophile Unit, studied convicted and suspected child- abusers and identified 250,000 throughout Britain.
I honestly do not know the race and religion distribution of the paedophiles in your country Hannam. Maybe you could enlighten me on the percentages regarding race and religion of the offenders.
13. "The man, who himself had a long history of sexually abusing boys, told them that the paedophiles they were investigating had been spending a lot of time in Amsterdam, where they had become involved with a group of exiled British child abusers who had succeeded in commercialising their sexual obsession. They were trafficking boys from other countries; running legitimate gay brothels and selling the under-aged boys ‘under the counter’ and through escort agencies; they had branched out into the production of hard-core child pornography. And they had killed some of them."
Err, our hero, Mr. Geert is busy scaring himself and other Hollanders on something else to distract them from reality.
14. I can go on if you insist, Hannam. Hope you can stop laughing and start thinking for a while.