len said...
Sizals
Until you understand the nature of God and the nature of man you will be unable to understand the bible(or God)
Man (through the fall)inherited a sin nature,he can do nothing to change this! Being good, praying three times a day ,doing good deeds does nothing but make one a 'good' sinner (and who wants to be the 'best sinner' who ever went to Hell?)
So God clad in human flesh came to Earth (Himself) and took this sin nature on Himself(He who knew no sin became sin)and that sin nature died with Him)He them rose again perfect.
This is Gods solution for sinners to die with Him and rise again, sharing the same Spirit.Leaving the old corrupted nature in the grave.This is the exchange God made with sinners through the cross of Jesus Christ.
Man`s solution to sin is to clean up your act,become 'good'but God says this is pointless you are still a sinner and deserve death!.
How can a righteous God condone sin by pretending it doesn`t exist and turn a 'blind eye 'to it?
If you say you are without sin you make God to be a liar.
(For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23)
Until you understand the nature of God and the nature of man you will be unable to understand the bible(or God)
Man (through the fall)inherited a sin nature,he can do nothing to change this! Being good, praying three times a day ,doing good deeds does nothing but make one a 'good' sinner (and who wants to be the 'best sinner' who ever went to Hell?)
So God clad in human flesh came to Earth (Himself) and took this sin nature on Himself(He who knew no sin became sin)and that sin nature died with Him)He them rose again perfect.
This is Gods solution for sinners to die with Him and rise again, sharing the same Spirit.Leaving the old corrupted nature in the grave.This is the exchange God made with sinners through the cross of Jesus Christ.
Man`s solution to sin is to clean up your act,become 'good'but God says this is pointless you are still a sinner and deserve death!.
How can a righteous God condone sin by pretending it doesn`t exist and turn a 'blind eye 'to it?
If you say you are without sin you make God to be a liar.
(For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23)
19 December 2010 12:02
KINGOFHIGHCS said... Srizals said
'Why do you keep on canceling your own argument Mr. K? You know that Muhammad was an illiterate and yet you said he wrote the Koran? Is this an example of the so-called circular reasoning Mr. K?'
IT IS CALLED 'IRONY' and you show by your responses that you are beyond understanding this.
'God had chosen him, an illiterate so that no one can accused him as being the author of the Koran and abuse it as he pleased. Then and even now. Clear? ' IRONY?!!!!!!!!!
And WHO ONLY was this declaration from Allah given to...IRONY
Definition of IRONY
'an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.' Or 'an objectively sardonic (disdainfully humorous) style of speech or writing. '
I have spent hours taking you through Holy Scripture, only for you NEVER to comprehend the answers, as you do not search for THE TRUTH. You are unable to know the Spiritual Things of God as you are LOST in Islam.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
'Why do you keep on canceling your own argument Mr. K? You know that Muhammad was an illiterate and yet you said he wrote the Koran? Is this an example of the so-called circular reasoning Mr. K?'
IT IS CALLED 'IRONY' and you show by your responses that you are beyond understanding this.
'God had chosen him, an illiterate so that no one can accused him as being the author of the Koran and abuse it as he pleased. Then and even now. Clear? ' IRONY?!!!!!!!!!
And WHO ONLY was this declaration from Allah given to...IRONY
Definition of IRONY
'an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.' Or 'an objectively sardonic (disdainfully humorous) style of speech or writing. '
I have spent hours taking you through Holy Scripture, only for you NEVER to comprehend the answers, as you do not search for THE TRUTH. You are unable to know the Spiritual Things of God as you are LOST in Islam.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
19 December 2010 12:08
KINGOFHIGHCS said... Len said. 19 December 2010 12:02
You speak the Truth.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
You speak the Truth.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
19 December 2010 12:11
srizals said... The call to pray for the fifth and the last time for today is in the cool night air. We'll resume afterwards Gents.
19 December 2010 12:21
KINGOFHIGHCS said... Srizals Said
What more is there to discuss?
Why Sacrifice is NEEDED ??.
Hebrews 9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Jesus was a sacrifice because - when God tore the veil in two from top to bottom when Jesus died - it meant that Christ's death opened an unobstructed way to God (Matthew 27:51)
'51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;'.
Before, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies (only once a year), and never without blood to cover his personal and national sins.
Hebrews 9:7 says,
"7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:"
Jesus was a sacrifice because God honored it alone - of all the sacrifices ever offered - with the victory of bodily resurrection.
That's why Paul states that Christ's death made a spectacle of all opposition to God (Colossians 2:15).
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
No further sacrifice was needed. Christ's own perfect sacrifice forty years before not only eliminated the temple's relevance, but received God's imprimatur (Official Approval) three days later.
Christ's resurrection guaranteed our freedom from sin while it legally and morally bound us to his grace. Since His sacrifice was all sufficient, there is nothing we can do to deserve it.
Since His resurrection verified His sacrifice's sufficiency, there is NOTHING we won't do for Him in appreciation.
Revelation 5:12
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
What more is there to discuss?
Why Sacrifice is NEEDED ??.
Hebrews 9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Jesus was a sacrifice because - when God tore the veil in two from top to bottom when Jesus died - it meant that Christ's death opened an unobstructed way to God (Matthew 27:51)
'51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;'.
Before, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies (only once a year), and never without blood to cover his personal and national sins.
Hebrews 9:7 says,
"7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:"
Jesus was a sacrifice because God honored it alone - of all the sacrifices ever offered - with the victory of bodily resurrection.
That's why Paul states that Christ's death made a spectacle of all opposition to God (Colossians 2:15).
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
No further sacrifice was needed. Christ's own perfect sacrifice forty years before not only eliminated the temple's relevance, but received God's imprimatur (Official Approval) three days later.
Christ's resurrection guaranteed our freedom from sin while it legally and morally bound us to his grace. Since His sacrifice was all sufficient, there is nothing we can do to deserve it.
Since His resurrection verified His sacrifice's sufficiency, there is NOTHING we won't do for Him in appreciation.
Revelation 5:12
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
19 December 2010 12:45
Oswin said...srizals @23.57
You, of all people, of all faiths, would dare to raise the subject of 'child-abuse' ??? Are you not familiar with the concept of irony?
I have not yet read the comments following your gaff, but I'd wager I could guess at them!
You, of all people, of all faiths, would dare to raise the subject of 'child-abuse' ??? Are you not familiar with the concept of irony?
I have not yet read the comments following your gaff, but I'd wager I could guess at them!
19 December 2010 16:40
srizals said...I was worried about you Oswin, I thought the blizzard had caught you trapped and dying somewhere, oh, well, glad you're still ticking, as always.
How do I get over with this high class British Irony?
You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, but you have forgotten the 'editors'.
While self-editing is evident, major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony, not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error. The continuity was broken.
That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.
Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?
There are so many uncertainties, for instance, Paul was said to be a crucifier of Christians, and then some said he was not. So which is which?
How do I get over with this high class British Irony?
You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, but you have forgotten the 'editors'.
While self-editing is evident, major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony, not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error. The continuity was broken.
That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.
Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?
There are so many uncertainties, for instance, Paul was said to be a crucifier of Christians, and then some said he was not. So which is which?
19 December 2010 17:34
len said...Srizels,
Why don`t you read the Bible?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,(2Timothy 3:16)
Why don`t you read the Bible?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,(2Timothy 3:16)
19 December 2010 17:43
srizals said...Deuteronomy 30:6 (King James Version)
"6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
Note the word 'circumcise'.
Please don't dodge this. It is unbecoming of you Mr. K.
Maybe Oswin or Non Mouse have a clue. They may assist you if they want to. I won't be offended.
Len's sincerity is most welcomed.
That is why I am angry Len, I can't determine which in the Bible is God's and which is not. Someone has to bear my wrath. Because of this 'misunderstanding' many have gone astray and ended up being zombies of the 'higher beings', a self-cleaning people that sinned beyond Sodom and Gommorah and killed his fellow humans with ease as if they were flies. And yet they glaringly declared that Jesus had never done the hideous things they had done and are doing now.
"6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
Note the word 'circumcise'.
Please don't dodge this. It is unbecoming of you Mr. K.
Maybe Oswin or Non Mouse have a clue. They may assist you if they want to. I won't be offended.
Len's sincerity is most welcomed.
That is why I am angry Len, I can't determine which in the Bible is God's and which is not. Someone has to bear my wrath. Because of this 'misunderstanding' many have gone astray and ended up being zombies of the 'higher beings', a self-cleaning people that sinned beyond Sodom and Gommorah and killed his fellow humans with ease as if they were flies. And yet they glaringly declared that Jesus had never done the hideous things they had done and are doing now.
19 December 2010 18:00
len said...Srizels,
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
19 December 2010 18:00
srizals said...Yes Len, in the sense of the uncorrupted bible or the Injil brought by the holy Prophet Jesus a.s. or known to you as the Old Testament. You see, one of the noble 6 pillars of Faith for Muslims, being the third is believing in the books revealed by God to His prophets. We revered Jesus son of Mary as one of the holy Prophets of God, among a series of Prophets to mankind since the beginning of Adam a.s. and awaits for his second coming before the end of days to lead the good against evil. He was betrayed by the Israelite then, and outnumbered by the Romans. He won't be alone at that time.
19 December 2010 18:21
len said...To say Jesus is merely a prophet makes no sense because Jesus claimed to be God.
So He either was a liar or God.There is no other explanation!
"He was baptized as a man -- but He remitted sins as God...He was tempted as man, but he conquered as God...He hungered -- but He fed thousands...He was wearied, but He is the rest of them that are weary and heavy-laden. He was heavy with sleep, but He walked lightly over the sea...He pays tribute, but it is out of a fish; yea He is the king of those who demanded it...He prays, but he hears prayer. He weeps, but He causes tears to cease. He asks where Lazarus was laid, for He was man; but He raises Lazarus, for He was God. He is sold, and very cheap, for it is only for thirty pieces of silver; but He redeems the world, and that at a great price, for the price was His blood. As a sheep he is led to the slaughter, but He is the shepherd of Israel, and now of the whole world also...He is bruised and wounded, but He heals every disease and every infirmity. He is lifted up and nailed to the tree, but by the tree of life He restores us. He dies, but he gives life, and by His death He destroys death."
I know Muslims and Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Scientologists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Seventh Day Adventists -and many others - will not want to hear this, but the Bible declares that Jesus was the FINAL revelation of God to man (Hebrews 1:1-3). There have been no others.
So He either was a liar or God.There is no other explanation!
"He was baptized as a man -- but He remitted sins as God...He was tempted as man, but he conquered as God...He hungered -- but He fed thousands...He was wearied, but He is the rest of them that are weary and heavy-laden. He was heavy with sleep, but He walked lightly over the sea...He pays tribute, but it is out of a fish; yea He is the king of those who demanded it...He prays, but he hears prayer. He weeps, but He causes tears to cease. He asks where Lazarus was laid, for He was man; but He raises Lazarus, for He was God. He is sold, and very cheap, for it is only for thirty pieces of silver; but He redeems the world, and that at a great price, for the price was His blood. As a sheep he is led to the slaughter, but He is the shepherd of Israel, and now of the whole world also...He is bruised and wounded, but He heals every disease and every infirmity. He is lifted up and nailed to the tree, but by the tree of life He restores us. He dies, but he gives life, and by His death He destroys death."
I know Muslims and Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Scientologists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Seventh Day Adventists -and many others - will not want to hear this, but the Bible declares that Jesus was the FINAL revelation of God to man (Hebrews 1:1-3). There have been no others.
19 December 2010 19:06
Preacher said...
Srizals.
In answer to your question about why God sent His son to die for sinful man, which you claim is child abuse. You obviously have a Bible, I would suggest you look up the word incarnation.
If nothing is impossible for God then if He so desires can He not become a human being? & if our sins are so reprehensible to Him that in His righteous judgement He says "The wages of sin is death" will you contradict Him?. If He decrees that a sinless substitute will be an acceptable offering because of His great love & mercy- for you will you reject His offer?. If the only person that could live without sinning for 33 years was God incarnate who voluntarily gave His sinless life for you & offered you redemption for eternity that all the religions or good deeds or pilgrimages were unable to attain for you would you laugh him to scorn?. Throughout the Old & New testaments the law is the same- "without the shedding of Blood there is NO remission (cancelling out) of sin". Think carefully my friend. A lot depewnds on it!.
In answer to your question about why God sent His son to die for sinful man, which you claim is child abuse. You obviously have a Bible, I would suggest you look up the word incarnation.
If nothing is impossible for God then if He so desires can He not become a human being? & if our sins are so reprehensible to Him that in His righteous judgement He says "The wages of sin is death" will you contradict Him?. If He decrees that a sinless substitute will be an acceptable offering because of His great love & mercy- for you will you reject His offer?. If the only person that could live without sinning for 33 years was God incarnate who voluntarily gave His sinless life for you & offered you redemption for eternity that all the religions or good deeds or pilgrimages were unable to attain for you would you laugh him to scorn?. Throughout the Old & New testaments the law is the same- "without the shedding of Blood there is NO remission (cancelling out) of sin". Think carefully my friend. A lot depewnds on it!.
19 December 2010 21:
KINGOFHIGHCS said... Srizals Said
That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.
I have told you REPEATEDLY Christians in large part REJECT THE NESTORIAN BIBLE TEXTS AS CORRUPT, We accept Textus Receptus, Septugaint and Hebrew as the ONLY GENUINE text, uncorrupted unlike heretical authors at Alexandria, who obviously you LOVE TO QUOTE FROM.
You are obviously trying to state Why did Abraham Circumcise Ishmael and he, Ishmael, is therefore of Gods Promise.
Wrong see;
Genesis 17:10-21
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21BUT MY COVENANT WILL I ESTABLISH WITH ISAAC, WHICH SARAH SHALL BEAR UNTO THEE AT THIS SET TIME IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO HOW CAN WE KNOW THAT ISHMAEL IS NOT OF GODS PROMISE?
Genesis 15:3-8
3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
7And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8And he said, LORD God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
GOD GIVES ABRAHAM HIS ,GOD'S, HOLY ETERNAL PROMISE!!!
Genesis 15:13
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
WHEN WERE THE CHILDREN OF ISHMAEL EVER SLAVES OF PHAROAH??
YOU QUESTION IS RIGHTLY ANSWERED!!!!
SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS
That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.
I have told you REPEATEDLY Christians in large part REJECT THE NESTORIAN BIBLE TEXTS AS CORRUPT, We accept Textus Receptus, Septugaint and Hebrew as the ONLY GENUINE text, uncorrupted unlike heretical authors at Alexandria, who obviously you LOVE TO QUOTE FROM.
You are obviously trying to state Why did Abraham Circumcise Ishmael and he, Ishmael, is therefore of Gods Promise.
Wrong see;
Genesis 17:10-21
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21BUT MY COVENANT WILL I ESTABLISH WITH ISAAC, WHICH SARAH SHALL BEAR UNTO THEE AT THIS SET TIME IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO HOW CAN WE KNOW THAT ISHMAEL IS NOT OF GODS PROMISE?
Genesis 15:3-8
3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
7And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
8And he said, LORD God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
GOD GIVES ABRAHAM HIS ,GOD'S, HOLY ETERNAL PROMISE!!!
Genesis 15:13
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
WHEN WERE THE CHILDREN OF ISHMAEL EVER SLAVES OF PHAROAH??
YOU QUESTION IS RIGHTLY ANSWERED!!!!
SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS
20 December 2010 05:13
KINGOFHIGHCS said... Srizals Said 19 December 2010 17:34
It is becoming fruitless explaining over and over historical fact to you as you REFUSE to investigate it yourself..Lets try again.
'You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, 'MY ANSWER PREVIOUSLY IS SELF EXPLANATORY 'The Holy Bible is written by over 40 human writers, by The Authority of God Himself, TRHROUGHOUT HISTORY who always agree'..THE HOLY BIBLE IS BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT..OPEN ONE AND SEE, ITS DECLARED ON THE FRONT..OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS!!!
but you have forgotten the 'editors' WHAT EDITORS?? WHO ARE THEY YOU CLAIM?
'While self-editing is evident' WHERE?
'major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. ' WRONG, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE, THIS COUNCIL WAS DECLARED TO REMOVE HERETICAL FALSE LETTERS OR INSPIRED LETTERS OUT OF CIRCULATION, THAT WERE PROMOTING HERESY CONTRARY TO THE GENUINE INSPIRED DOCUMENTS!
'They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, (THE TRUE DOCUMENTS DECLARED THIS AS SO) omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony,( OH..YOU MENTION IRONY THEN) not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error.(IT WAS IRRELEVANT IF THERE WERE 50 OR 500 BISHOPS THERE, THEY HAD THE GENUINE LETTERS ETC TO EXAMINE AND REJECT THE FALSIFIED ONES) The continuity was broken.THE INSPIRED LETTERS AND DOCUMENT WERE IN EXISTENCE, THERE WAS NO NEED TO RE-WRITE ANYTHING AND BY RE-WRITING THEM, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE SHOWN THESE TO BE FALSE AS THE ORIGINALS WERE ALREADY KNOW AND HELD BY THE CHURCHES.
OR DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW JEWS OR CHRISTIANS COPIED THEIR DOCUMENTS THROUGH PAINSTAKINGLY BEING LOOKED AT OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY OTHER SCHOLARS FOR ERROR IN COPYING!!!
'Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?'
HE WAS THE 'BELOVED DISCIPLE OF JESUS CALLED JOHN, AUTHOR OF JOHN'S GOSPEL AND JOHN'S LETTERS 1 & 2, IMPRISONED ON PATMOS BY DOMITIAN, RELEASED AFTER HE, CAESAR, DIED.JOHN DIED IN EPHESUS SURROUNDED BY THE PEOPLE HE LOVED AND WHO LOVED HIM!
ANSWERED AGAIN IN FULL.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
It is becoming fruitless explaining over and over historical fact to you as you REFUSE to investigate it yourself..Lets try again.
'You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, 'MY ANSWER PREVIOUSLY IS SELF EXPLANATORY 'The Holy Bible is written by over 40 human writers, by The Authority of God Himself, TRHROUGHOUT HISTORY who always agree'..THE HOLY BIBLE IS BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT..OPEN ONE AND SEE, ITS DECLARED ON THE FRONT..OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS!!!
but you have forgotten the 'editors' WHAT EDITORS?? WHO ARE THEY YOU CLAIM?
'While self-editing is evident' WHERE?
'major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. ' WRONG, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE, THIS COUNCIL WAS DECLARED TO REMOVE HERETICAL FALSE LETTERS OR INSPIRED LETTERS OUT OF CIRCULATION, THAT WERE PROMOTING HERESY CONTRARY TO THE GENUINE INSPIRED DOCUMENTS!
'They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, (THE TRUE DOCUMENTS DECLARED THIS AS SO) omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony,( OH..YOU MENTION IRONY THEN) not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error.(IT WAS IRRELEVANT IF THERE WERE 50 OR 500 BISHOPS THERE, THEY HAD THE GENUINE LETTERS ETC TO EXAMINE AND REJECT THE FALSIFIED ONES) The continuity was broken.THE INSPIRED LETTERS AND DOCUMENT WERE IN EXISTENCE, THERE WAS NO NEED TO RE-WRITE ANYTHING AND BY RE-WRITING THEM, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE SHOWN THESE TO BE FALSE AS THE ORIGINALS WERE ALREADY KNOW AND HELD BY THE CHURCHES.
OR DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW JEWS OR CHRISTIANS COPIED THEIR DOCUMENTS THROUGH PAINSTAKINGLY BEING LOOKED AT OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY OTHER SCHOLARS FOR ERROR IN COPYING!!!
'Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?'
HE WAS THE 'BELOVED DISCIPLE OF JESUS CALLED JOHN, AUTHOR OF JOHN'S GOSPEL AND JOHN'S LETTERS 1 & 2, IMPRISONED ON PATMOS BY DOMITIAN, RELEASED AFTER HE, CAESAR, DIED.JOHN DIED IN EPHESUS SURROUNDED BY THE PEOPLE HE LOVED AND WHO LOVED HIM!
ANSWERED AGAIN IN FULL.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
20 December 2010 07:33
srizals said...
Mr. Kingofhighcs,
I'm not interested in the question of the legitimacy of Palestine according to the covenant based on your logic as God is on a weak part of the covenant, bound to fulfill His part of the promise whereas His creations held the upper hand, always. They could ignore their responsibilities and duties to God and get away with it. It doesn't ring too well in a relationship between the Creator and the weak creations that depends on Him, not the otherwise. Thank God, my sons and daughter aren't reading any of this, if they do, I'm a dead meat! It doesn't make any sense at all.
God is the most merciful. He forgives and punishes whom He wills according to His law as He is the Creator of everything that exist in this universe, not just earth. The only rule of the thumb is humility before God. It only requires us asking for His forgiveness only as the Creator and repenting by not doing the sins again and follow them with good deeds if it doesn't involved any living souls. If it does, then repentance is not sufficient. The right and loss of others must be attended to.
Like I said earlier if any of you've noticed, I couldn't have believed a persecutor cum saviour and has many issues as a trustworthy nor without any endorsement by the pious and well-known religious figures and proof from the scriptures and the abundance of truth proven in time and even at that time. Muhammad was known as Al Amin (The Trustworthy) by the pagan Arabs, not by Muslims.
Among the proof that the West still cannot comprehend is the marriage of a 9 year old girl which was the norm then, it is even a norm now, I mean they are no longer little children since they are able to conceive and function as a woman. This is the very fact that none of Muhammad's critic can ever escape from reason. The very fact that early bride age was a norm hundred years after Muhammad s.a.w. marriage is ignored. The fact that even nowadays, the girls are reaching puberty earlier and able to carry a child in their womb and deliver a life has purposely been ignored as proven in Thailand. There are many more. Children stop to be children when they can perform adult bodily function. Our civilisation stop them from fending on their own. Their biological clock do not change according to our civilisation. It remained naturally the same. Browse for youngest mother and you'll be dead surprise. Even scientists in Britain is worried of the 'new' phenomena of early puberty which of course means sexual maturity. The fact that it is not written in fancy books by fancy writers doesn't mean they don't exist Non Mouse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7824699/Girls-now-reaching-puberty-before-10-a-year-sooner-than-20-years-ago.html
I'm not interested in the question of the legitimacy of Palestine according to the covenant based on your logic as God is on a weak part of the covenant, bound to fulfill His part of the promise whereas His creations held the upper hand, always. They could ignore their responsibilities and duties to God and get away with it. It doesn't ring too well in a relationship between the Creator and the weak creations that depends on Him, not the otherwise. Thank God, my sons and daughter aren't reading any of this, if they do, I'm a dead meat! It doesn't make any sense at all.
God is the most merciful. He forgives and punishes whom He wills according to His law as He is the Creator of everything that exist in this universe, not just earth. The only rule of the thumb is humility before God. It only requires us asking for His forgiveness only as the Creator and repenting by not doing the sins again and follow them with good deeds if it doesn't involved any living souls. If it does, then repentance is not sufficient. The right and loss of others must be attended to.
Like I said earlier if any of you've noticed, I couldn't have believed a persecutor cum saviour and has many issues as a trustworthy nor without any endorsement by the pious and well-known religious figures and proof from the scriptures and the abundance of truth proven in time and even at that time. Muhammad was known as Al Amin (The Trustworthy) by the pagan Arabs, not by Muslims.
Among the proof that the West still cannot comprehend is the marriage of a 9 year old girl which was the norm then, it is even a norm now, I mean they are no longer little children since they are able to conceive and function as a woman. This is the very fact that none of Muhammad's critic can ever escape from reason. The very fact that early bride age was a norm hundred years after Muhammad s.a.w. marriage is ignored. The fact that even nowadays, the girls are reaching puberty earlier and able to carry a child in their womb and deliver a life has purposely been ignored as proven in Thailand. There are many more. Children stop to be children when they can perform adult bodily function. Our civilisation stop them from fending on their own. Their biological clock do not change according to our civilisation. It remained naturally the same. Browse for youngest mother and you'll be dead surprise. Even scientists in Britain is worried of the 'new' phenomena of early puberty which of course means sexual maturity. The fact that it is not written in fancy books by fancy writers doesn't mean they don't exist Non Mouse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7824699/Girls-now-reaching-puberty-before-10-a-year-sooner-than-20-years-ago.html
20 December 2010 07:43
srizals said... We knew about it 1,400 years ago.
Anyway, the moral standing of some of us that indulge ourselves in the sex revolution which know no boundaries questioned our very essence as persecutor. What more in fighting the nature of man and woman from the need of sex, which is quite natural for an organism that depends on new blood for future existence. Bound in holy matrimony, not like the chickens.
The very essence of paganism which worship earthly figures whether they are man-made or created beings or animals or man himself is why I can't accept any other religion than what I have. On the contrary of popular belief that it is easy for me since I'm a Muslim in understanding the foundation of my faith is mostly untrue. Each Muslim must go on his own journey of understanding himself and Islam and eventually Allah. Seeing so many injustices and the prowess of the dominant evil ones and how evil eluded justice around us or in a global event, test our very faith on daily basis. Salman Rushdie is a manifest example that not all Muslims can survive the journey.
It is never easy to retain the goodness in oneself. The test never stops as the gifts do not either. And all this will end with Heaven and Hell. All the sufferings, confusions of 0 - 120 years of life that we have is nothing compared to the everlasting life promised by God, both in Hell or Heaven. We do not go away as Science would have told you. But I leave it to the smart atheists to figure it out.
Could you quote your authoritative bible regarding the verse in question Mr. K?
Deuteronomy 30:6. If you said you don't recognise it, then there is no such thing as a Judeao-Christian foundation that we have believed all this while. Thanks.
Anyway, the moral standing of some of us that indulge ourselves in the sex revolution which know no boundaries questioned our very essence as persecutor. What more in fighting the nature of man and woman from the need of sex, which is quite natural for an organism that depends on new blood for future existence. Bound in holy matrimony, not like the chickens.
The very essence of paganism which worship earthly figures whether they are man-made or created beings or animals or man himself is why I can't accept any other religion than what I have. On the contrary of popular belief that it is easy for me since I'm a Muslim in understanding the foundation of my faith is mostly untrue. Each Muslim must go on his own journey of understanding himself and Islam and eventually Allah. Seeing so many injustices and the prowess of the dominant evil ones and how evil eluded justice around us or in a global event, test our very faith on daily basis. Salman Rushdie is a manifest example that not all Muslims can survive the journey.
It is never easy to retain the goodness in oneself. The test never stops as the gifts do not either. And all this will end with Heaven and Hell. All the sufferings, confusions of 0 - 120 years of life that we have is nothing compared to the everlasting life promised by God, both in Hell or Heaven. We do not go away as Science would have told you. But I leave it to the smart atheists to figure it out.
Could you quote your authoritative bible regarding the verse in question Mr. K?
Deuteronomy 30:6. If you said you don't recognise it, then there is no such thing as a Judeao-Christian foundation that we have believed all this while. Thanks.
20 December 2010 07:44
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