English Viking said...Srizals,
The 'Church' (not mine, you'll note) was responsible for less religious killings over a 400 year period than your filthy 'religion' killed in 2 hours, on Sept. 11, 2001.
Are you going to 'Fatwa' me?
I don't care if you do. The more people who declare your religion for the filth that it is, the better.
Sunni, are you?
I'm coming to the belief that you may not need to sleep when you say you do, that you are, in fact, a resident of a different country, that your English is deliberately bad, that you are a troll.
The 'Church' (not mine, you'll note) was responsible for less religious killings over a 400 year period than your filthy 'religion' killed in 2 hours, on Sept. 11, 2001.
Are you going to 'Fatwa' me?
I don't care if you do. The more people who declare your religion for the filth that it is, the better.
Sunni, are you?
I'm coming to the belief that you may not need to sleep when you say you do, that you are, in fact, a resident of a different country, that your English is deliberately bad, that you are a troll.
Oswin said...My point entirely old fruit; was just wondering when you'd awaken, is all.
We won't be beastly to you when you throw in the towel, you know.
The British are far too polite to say 'I told you so' ...
We won't be beastly to you when you throw in the towel, you know.
The British are far too polite to say 'I told you so' ...
Oswin said...well, most of us are!
srizals said...It's okay Oswin, The Viking would not influence my world view on the English. The ones that I had shaken hands with are nothing compared to him. They are a lot taller than me, but a true representative of the gentlemen of the West!
Mr. E. Viking, are you saying that if a person or a group of any religion commit a crime, then it would mean the religion of the culprits is to be blame?
Do you realise how dangerous your assumption is to your own religion? Could you show me any religion or faith or the faithless (which is also a faith in something, actually) that has followers behaving like angels? If you can't, you would be debunking your own ingenuity for daring to utter such nonsense!
Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia, Mr. E. Viking? Or you just like to pretend to be an educated unbeliever? Do you think all Sunni is the same or slightly different?
I am a Malay in the lands of the Malay! When did I ever claimed to be a native speaker of the British English? Do check the alcohol level in your blood before addressing me. I won't entertain a drunk!
Mr. E. Viking, are you saying that if a person or a group of any religion commit a crime, then it would mean the religion of the culprits is to be blame?
Do you realise how dangerous your assumption is to your own religion? Could you show me any religion or faith or the faithless (which is also a faith in something, actually) that has followers behaving like angels? If you can't, you would be debunking your own ingenuity for daring to utter such nonsense!
Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia, Mr. E. Viking? Or you just like to pretend to be an educated unbeliever? Do you think all Sunni is the same or slightly different?
I am a Malay in the lands of the Malay! When did I ever claimed to be a native speaker of the British English? Do check the alcohol level in your blood before addressing me. I won't entertain a drunk!
English Viking said...Srizals,
I can assure you, I am perfectly sober.
I can and do blame your religion for the simply appalling levels of violence carried out in the name of your god. They have been motivated by their religion to commit these atrocities, because they think your god requires it of them. I know so because they invariably chant it's name before blowing up 'planes, beheading old men, burning down churches (usually with people inside), starting civil wars, etc, etc.
When a person who claims to be a Christian behaves in a manner which is prohibited by Christ, they cannot claim motivation from Him.
When a muslim carries out an attack on a Jew, or a Christian, or rapes a child, or any other number of wicked things, they are simply following the example set for them by Mo.
I can assure you, I am perfectly sober.
I can and do blame your religion for the simply appalling levels of violence carried out in the name of your god. They have been motivated by their religion to commit these atrocities, because they think your god requires it of them. I know so because they invariably chant it's name before blowing up 'planes, beheading old men, burning down churches (usually with people inside), starting civil wars, etc, etc.
When a person who claims to be a Christian behaves in a manner which is prohibited by Christ, they cannot claim motivation from Him.
When a muslim carries out an attack on a Jew, or a Christian, or rapes a child, or any other number of wicked things, they are simply following the example set for them by Mo.
len said...I suppose you can only have'religious freedom'in this turbulent World if people are terrified of opposing you because of how you might react.
srizals said...The Christian crusaders or holy warriors of Christianity, chants, Deus vult! or "God wills it" when they were killing Muslims and Jews in the Holy land in order to purify it with blood of the weak. And they were not slaughtering fighting combatants, mind you.
How can you blame a system because of the stubborn law breakers? Even if they chanted God's name when they were said to do all the hideous things, it doesn't mean that God was on their side.
Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." Name one Muslim famous on the same field.
"The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415".
How can you blame a system because of the stubborn law breakers? Even if they chanted God's name when they were said to do all the hideous things, it doesn't mean that God was on their side.
Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." Name one Muslim famous on the same field.
"The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415".
srizals said...A man named Bush, which is a very funny name for a man, led a crusade on the Islamic world for a dozen of dead terrorists, full of suspicion even by Americans themselves. And brought misery to us all until this very day! And another peaceful Christian supported him from Britain! And yes, he said god told him to do it.
Most Christians don't read the Bible, if they do, they disobey it completely.
"Thou shall not kill" was one of the ten commandments and yet Christians killed the most. And who is doing most of the killing now, Mr. E. Viking? The lifeless drones?
"Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52).
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." (Matthew 5:44).
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth,' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also" (Matthew 5:38-42).
And many more,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Len and E. Viking, don't say that you're not of them. You read almost the same Bible and adhere most of its principles. And you endorsed Nicaea. The only difference is, you have yet to kill humans in mass. Ops, your civilisation had done that too, to your own. Remember Dresden?
Most Christians don't read the Bible, if they do, they disobey it completely.
"Thou shall not kill" was one of the ten commandments and yet Christians killed the most. And who is doing most of the killing now, Mr. E. Viking? The lifeless drones?
"Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52).
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." (Matthew 5:44).
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth,' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also" (Matthew 5:38-42).
And many more,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Len and E. Viking, don't say that you're not of them. You read almost the same Bible and adhere most of its principles. And you endorsed Nicaea. The only difference is, you have yet to kill humans in mass. Ops, your civilisation had done that too, to your own. Remember Dresden?
srizals said..."The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek."
William Shakespeare
(Merchant of Venice i. iii. 93)
Is it me, or you?
William Shakespeare
(Merchant of Venice i. iii. 93)
Is it me, or you?
srizals said...1'Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3'Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. '"
Matthew 7:1-5
3'Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. '"
Matthew 7:1-5
srizals said...And last but not least,
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord".
[Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf," translation by Ralph Mannheim.]
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord".
[Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf," translation by Ralph Mannheim.]
len said...Srizels,
How can you get everything so wrong so consistently?
You must be the worst advert for Islam possible.
You quote scripture, but you deny the authority of it(when it suits you).
You are clearly NOT interested in the truth only in defending the indefensible.
I am truly sorry for you,you have accepted lies as truth,and truth as lies.
It will take a miracle from God(the real One) to release you from the bondage you are in.
How can you get everything so wrong so consistently?
You must be the worst advert for Islam possible.
You quote scripture, but you deny the authority of it(when it suits you).
You are clearly NOT interested in the truth only in defending the indefensible.
I am truly sorry for you,you have accepted lies as truth,and truth as lies.
It will take a miracle from God(the real One) to release you from the bondage you are in.
Oswin said...Srizals .... you're 'going off on one' again. I did try to 'rein you' in to a specific comparison, but you will insist on muddying the waters with pointless examples of Christian's getting it wrong.
When Christians 'get it wrong' are they following the tenets of the New Testament? No, clearly they are not.
When muslims are beastly, are they following the tenets of their Prophet Mohammed? Most probably!
It is as simple as that. We are not discussing human frailty, but the worth of Christ versus Mohammed.
When Christians 'get it wrong' are they following the tenets of the New Testament? No, clearly they are not.
When muslims are beastly, are they following the tenets of their Prophet Mohammed? Most probably!
It is as simple as that. We are not discussing human frailty, but the worth of Christ versus Mohammed.
Oswin said...Please forgive the typo's...
srizals said...Forgot this one,
The Rwandan massacre,
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl".
http://notachristian.com/christianatrocities.html
I know Len, Jesus didn't tell them to be animals. What proof do you have that the prophet, Muhammad s.a.w. asked the Muslims to be one?
In order to survive a barbaric onslaught or to kill the helpless?
The Rwandan massacre,
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl".
http://notachristian.com/christianatrocities.html
I know Len, Jesus didn't tell them to be animals. What proof do you have that the prophet, Muhammad s.a.w. asked the Muslims to be one?
In order to survive a barbaric onslaught or to kill the helpless?
srizals said...I quote the scripture to remind you, of your own faith! And hopefully the Christians here will actually read it, the whole of it, NT and OT. And hopefully the Koran too.
Ok, start your comparison Oswin, I'll try to address them like Len did, it's getting late. Good night.
Where's the Viking? Is he afraid to fight a little troll? He got an axe, is he afraid to use it?
What a violent depiction of a peaceful believer. But, most Christians are. Sorry Oswin. And they were not just a plain puny nobody terrorist! They were somebody, not just anybody.
Ok, start your comparison Oswin, I'll try to address them like Len did, it's getting late. Good night.
Where's the Viking? Is he afraid to fight a little troll? He got an axe, is he afraid to use it?
What a violent depiction of a peaceful believer. But, most Christians are. Sorry Oswin. And they were not just a plain puny nobody terrorist! They were somebody, not just anybody.
English Viking said...Srizals,
The Crusades were a military response to the Islamic aggression towards believers in the Holy Land.
They were also hundreds of years ago. Christians are not sanctioned by The Bible, nor by its ministers, to commit murder. Muslims are sanctioned by the koran, and its ministers, to kill anyone they have taken a disliking to.
The biblical prohibition you misrepresent is on murder, btw, not killing.
The Crusades were a military response to the Islamic aggression towards believers in the Holy Land.
They were also hundreds of years ago. Christians are not sanctioned by The Bible, nor by its ministers, to commit murder. Muslims are sanctioned by the koran, and its ministers, to kill anyone they have taken a disliking to.
The biblical prohibition you misrepresent is on murder, btw, not killing.
len said...Srizels,
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact,Hitler renounced religion. Quotes from Hitler himself (1941-44):
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941: "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (Bormann 1953, pp. 6-7)
Joseph Goebbels, 12/28/1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed." (Boelcke 1970).
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact,Hitler renounced religion. Quotes from Hitler himself (1941-44):
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941: "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (Bormann 1953, pp. 6-7)
Joseph Goebbels, 12/28/1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed." (Boelcke 1970).
len said...Srizels,
How could Hitler, fiercely anti -Jewish embrace a religion started by Jesus Christ.........a Jew.
Think about it.
How could Hitler, fiercely anti -Jewish embrace a religion started by Jesus Christ.........a Jew.
Think about it.
srizals said...I don't know Len, I think maybe, being woken up from a lying sweet dream into a real-life nightmare made him raving mad at those who had deceived him, in faith and also economy, who knows?
Abraham wasn't a Jew either, but, many believed he was. As Moses and Jesus were Israelite, not Jewish, since they do not follow and believe the rabbi. Beware of the Sanhedrin and Pharisees. They are still here, more dominant than ever.
"Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) or resident of Judea, He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites".
- Jason Collett.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
English Viking, Islam means submission or surrender to the Lord, the God or Allah in Arabic. Being submissive to God means that he is limited to goodness in all of his conduct and earthly affairs. The guidelines of having a life and the appropriate ways of ending it, legally, but most importantly morally.
By this, the separation of the good and the bad is clear. And so, the innocents and the good is spared from being humiliated and killed unjustly. Those who dare to cross the limit of humanity and chose the dark side of himself, by fulfilling his evil desires, would have to deal with the law, here and in the Hereafter. He won't escape justice.
The so-called violence you've claimed as sanctioned in the Koran are the nature of any living thing in self-defence. Go try and hit your Mongrel, and see what it will do to you. If a dog has the right to self-defence, what more an honourable man?
Abraham wasn't a Jew either, but, many believed he was. As Moses and Jesus were Israelite, not Jewish, since they do not follow and believe the rabbi. Beware of the Sanhedrin and Pharisees. They are still here, more dominant than ever.
"Jesus Himself was not a Jew (Judean) or resident of Judea, He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah. The Judeans of prominence were not of the Tribe of Judah, but of Edomites".
- Jason Collett.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
English Viking, Islam means submission or surrender to the Lord, the God or Allah in Arabic. Being submissive to God means that he is limited to goodness in all of his conduct and earthly affairs. The guidelines of having a life and the appropriate ways of ending it, legally, but most importantly morally.
By this, the separation of the good and the bad is clear. And so, the innocents and the good is spared from being humiliated and killed unjustly. Those who dare to cross the limit of humanity and chose the dark side of himself, by fulfilling his evil desires, would have to deal with the law, here and in the Hereafter. He won't escape justice.
The so-called violence you've claimed as sanctioned in the Koran are the nature of any living thing in self-defence. Go try and hit your Mongrel, and see what it will do to you. If a dog has the right to self-defence, what more an honourable man?
srizals said...Funny, how a creed of a non-adherent of violence had shown more tendency of violence in the worst way ever known to man. The first nuclear bomb was said to be launched by man, I, as one of the creed of man totally reject this association.
English Viking, as a complete guide to man, the Koran states clearly that we have the right to defend against aggression of the aggressors.
[2:190]
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, and do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not like the transgressors.
[2:191]
Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah (to create disorder) is more severe than killing. However, do not fight them near Al-Masjid-ul-Harām (the Sacred Mosque in Makkah) unless they fight you there. However, if they fight you (there) you may kill them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers.
[2:192]
But if they desist, then indeed, Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very- Merciful.
[2:193]
Fight them until there is no Fitnah any more, and obedience remains for Allah. But, if they desist, then aggression is not allowed except against the transgressors.
I'll repeat, "then aggression is not allowed except against the transgressors". And the whole concept of self-defence is thus set forth for Muslims to obey. Disobedience of this rule of war would mean that he has waived Paradise for Hell.
How about the Christians? What could they do to their enemies? Are there any limits for them in fighting for their lives?
Who is in this verse Len?
"“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:33)
'Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers"'.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
Funny how current Muslims were considered to be there with Jesus at that time.
English Viking, as a complete guide to man, the Koran states clearly that we have the right to defend against aggression of the aggressors.
[2:190]
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, and do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not like the transgressors.
[2:191]
Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah (to create disorder) is more severe than killing. However, do not fight them near Al-Masjid-ul-Harām (the Sacred Mosque in Makkah) unless they fight you there. However, if they fight you (there) you may kill them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers.
[2:192]
But if they desist, then indeed, Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very- Merciful.
[2:193]
Fight them until there is no Fitnah any more, and obedience remains for Allah. But, if they desist, then aggression is not allowed except against the transgressors.
I'll repeat, "then aggression is not allowed except against the transgressors". And the whole concept of self-defence is thus set forth for Muslims to obey. Disobedience of this rule of war would mean that he has waived Paradise for Hell.
How about the Christians? What could they do to their enemies? Are there any limits for them in fighting for their lives?
Who is in this verse Len?
"“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:33)
'Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers"'.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
Funny how current Muslims were considered to be there with Jesus at that time.
srizals said...This is my answer to you too, Johnny. How could Muslims killed those who do not threaten to destroy them all? Some of them were only tortured to death. Or are you oblivious of the early history of Muslims? Are you, Johnny? Sumayyah was killed with the rest of her family after being brutally tortured. They were slaves, Johnny. Islam sets them free. Changing the norm gradually until everyone was free.
And then, the pagan Arabs decided to finish the job by attacking Medina and kill 'em all! What would you do if you were in their shoes? Give your other cheek? Why don't you give your other cheek now to the Muslims, who do not even threaten any one of you? As for those who do, your own reply to me should be a reminder to yourself.
And then, the pagan Arabs decided to finish the job by attacking Medina and kill 'em all! What would you do if you were in their shoes? Give your other cheek? Why don't you give your other cheek now to the Muslims, who do not even threaten any one of you? As for those who do, your own reply to me should be a reminder to yourself.
