Abhishek Sharan/Express News Service
Posted online: Monday, May 17, 2004 at 1144 hours IST
Updated: Saturday, July 03, 2004 at 1426 hours IST
Mumbai, May 17: Almost a week after the two are gone, nobody at the Milind Nagar shanty-town in Powai is tired of talking about them.
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In hushed whispers and dramatic undertones, the story of their ‘‘affair’’ makes its way around the 2,000-odd shanties and its cosmopolitan population. He was 26 and married. She was just 19. Their families hated each other with the spite reserved for Bollywood enemies. And sadly and most significantly they knew their love was doomed. For he was Vinod Ingale, born a Hindu and in love with Gulshan Khan, daughter of a devout Muslim family.
Late on Monday night, hours after the duo was discovered missing, agitated relatives broke into Vinod’s one room shanty in Milind Nagar his family stays in another shanty a couple of metres away and caught them, inches away from each other and hanging from a ceiling-rod.
They had hung themselves from two ends of a single nylon cord, facing each other. No suicide note was found by the Powai police.
Vinod’s friend Jagdish says their bodies dangled ‘‘for hours’’, Vinod in his favourite black t-shirt and grey shorts, she in a light night suit. As the police completed their formalities, the two families spat fire and wagged accusing fingers at each other.
On Friday afternoon, Sunday Gulshan’s father Habibullah (55) is away at his small betelnut shop, but her mother Munira (50) is still grieving at home. She whispers that two years ago, her daughter had told Vinod it wouldn’t work. ‘‘She was a Muslim, he a Hindu. Their destinies were separate,’’ she says.
Vinod, a Std X dropout and peon with an electronic goods manufacturing firm at SEEPZ, Andheri, with a salary of Rs 2,000 per month, heeded Gulshan’s advice and married Anita (19). They even had a baby girl, Prerana, now almost two years old.
How things came to such a pass is the subject of the latest bitter dispute between the already feuding families.
Vinod’s mother Nirmala (44) and Anita can’t believe the family’s only breadwinner is gone. ‘‘Everything was so normal,’’ Nirmala whimpers.
Just a few days ago, he’d bought a colour television set, so his teenage sisters wouldn’t have to watch daily soaps at the neighbour’s.
Munira says Gulshan took money from her that evening to enroll in a computer course. ‘‘How can a girl who offered namaz five times a day end up hanging with a rowdy like Vinod?’’ she asks bitterly, then alleging that the Ingales killed her daughter ‘‘and maybe Vinod too’’.
Munira’s allegations find support in her son-in-law Abdul Majid Sheikh. He says Vinod met Gulshan secretly at 8.30 pm that night and took her away by force.
But the postmortem reports from Rajawadi Hospital, Ghatkopar, are dismissive of these claims—‘‘asphyxia due to hanging,’’ it says.
Vinod’s friend hints that it was the Khan family’s resolute opposition to the relationship ‘‘on religious grounds’’ that led to the double suicide. Vinod was exceedingly headstrong and moody, he says, and could have taken the drastic decision ‘‘in desperation’’.
Investigating Officer Police Sub-Inspector A Malche could not be contacted, but another official at the Powai police station said investigations are on.
(With inputs from Karen Alfred)
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=31515
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Hindu concept of God-answering Muslims
Hindu concept of God - Answering muslims who deride Hinduism for Idol worship and polytheism
Submitted by Diler Dogra on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 08:55.
For Abrahmics (Muslim, Christian) monothiesm is the ultimate sign of religious purity. Polythiests are considered as primitive pagans, Kafirs or Heathen. Children are taught that these polytheists are the most corrupt people because they do not believe in true God therefore it is the duty of every Abrahmic to either convert the pagan or to kill him. It is fair to hate a pagan. This is also the core philosophy on which Kashmiri muslims are brainwashed and made to hate Hindu India and its people.
But the truth is concept of Monothism came from India and Hindus. But our monothism was not fanatic but tolerant. Our tolerance led us to accept that although there is one God or one reality there is no harm if people worship the true God in any form.
12th century Muslim Philosopher/historian and traveler to India, Al-Biruni wrote "The Hindus believe with regard to God that he is one, eternal, without beginning and end, acting by free-will, almighty, all-wise, living, giving life, ruling, preserving; one who in his sovereignty is unique, beyond all likeness and unlikeness, and that he does not resemble anything nor does anything resemble him."
Biruni argued that Hinduism was a monotheistic faith like Islam, and in order to justify this assertion, he quotes Hindu texts and argues that the worship of idols is "exclusively a characteristic of the common people, with which the educated have nothing to do."
Our Omnipotent and Omnipresent true GOD (Eshwar) is able to discriminate between good and bad intensions of his followers. He does not mind if a person worships Idols because he knows that this is an innocent and sincere act of an innocent person who is trying to worship him in some physical form. Therefore he accepts his worship.
Although Hindus believe there is only one true God called Eshwar everything or every other god is just an aspect of the same God. Since God is omnipotent and omnipresent, he is not insecure and does not get jealous if any innocent person worships him in any form or calls him by any name
The great God would get angry is when he sees people worshipping a rapist, mass murderer, terrorist, pedophile, womanizer, a person who committed incest with his own daughter-in-law and ultimately spread hate in the name of religion. And he will surely get angry if such a person is called as God’s messenger. He will roast all those people to hell who follow such a evil person’s example and become terrorists, rapists, pedophiles or robbers. Muslim concept of God is a jealous insecure person who will torcher people for not worshipping him. Their god does not understand justice (justice means punishment should not exceed crime)
Hindus believe that purpose of worship is to gain inner peace and to get God’s blessing unlike Muslims who believe the purpose of worship is to satisfy their narcissist God’s ego and command. Our God is not superficial so he understands and accepts the prayers of an ignorant person who worships him even in the form of an Idol.
Our God punishes unrighteous people like pedophiles, rapists, robbers and murderers. Our God sends us Gurus, Saints and Avatars who are role models and not criminals.
Dard dil ke wastay Paida kia Insaan ko
Warna TaAt ke lyay kuch kam na the karrobiyaan(farishtay)
This shair from Mir clearly says that God does not need humans to worship him but to be nice and empathetic to each other.
Muslim fanatics don't understand this and go on raping and killing people in God's name. God will be prepare the worst hell for them.
* Diler Dogra's blog
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#1Submitted by Pramod (not verified) on Sun, 11/30/2008 - 01:53.
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We the Brahmins are the real
We the Brahmins are the real suckers of Hindu society. We had get our ass fucked by the moghuls and the britishers in the past.
Please fuck my holy ass as I belong to god's family.
We Brahmins are the real criminals and terrorist of this samaj.
Oh God please tell someone to fuck our holy ass.
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#2Submitted by amir (not verified) on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 04:48.
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dear brothers,i feel very
dear brothers,i feel very bad when u r contraindicating to each others.for muslims arguements are probhited,if some one asks u any questions u should give answer but not hurt his feelings as our prophet(pbuh) did.if he asks to explain islam
plz tell him in a so,call manner as our prophet(pbuh)told,and dont contraindicate with their religion.even in quran its written (mahfoom-ALLAH for give me if im mistaken)
''show them the righteous way but im the only who will give them faith''.
another version
''i have put a stamp on there eyes,mouth,ears,hearts,as they cant understand and listen''.so my appeal to all muslims tell in that manner so,that there books r considered foreg:=vedas,upnishids,shrutis,"words of GOD".and also bhavashya puran(kalaki avtar),in which it is clearly represented that ("when the people from arab, will come and there head will be prophet(pbuh) accept them and follow them").
so,my request to all brothers 1st to gain the knowledge and then u will get the truth,the faith,the eternity.but be afar from arguements bcz these r evildeeds of satan, only making hatredness and poison in hearts.respect to there religion as they will respect to ours.oh! Almighty ALLAH give the right pathway to all as they dont know what they r doing and forgive all sins, and unite us,take in ur shadow.A-meen
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#3Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 22:03.
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Do not compare christianity
Do not compare christianity to islam u suar raahil. We christians do not worship west side like u satanists or a black stone which is like muhameds ass.
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#4Submitted by raahil (not verified) on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 16:05.
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Hey Dear BRAHMAN Y ur
Hey Dear BRAHMAN Y ur misleading me by saying dont compare christian with Islam. U know V muslim can easily catch satanic word so dear BRAHAMAN please try some thing else on me....I wont say any thng rong bout Our messanger's including ISAA ALE SALAAM (Prophet Jesus) book even there is some differences.U khanzir BRAHMAN.
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#5Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 17:52.
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So as u people say, u people
So as u people say, u people are ignorant and thats why u worship idol, So tell me people who know what they are doing is ignorance and still do it, What does this imply ???
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#6Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/14/2008 - 17:20.
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why muslims are so fanatic
why muslims are so fanatic that consider themselves married to a woman that is having sex with another man and he and she have children and ive in another land,nothing to do with the muslim religion and what is this about been married from the ass or bottom?i understand now why they keep molestion my breast,because they want to have sex whith mommy,as i become mother and wife of a not existing insane,a particular practice that started with internet.this people are sick in mind and soul.they even say that they marry unborn children from the bottom by sodomizing them and then what they get belong to them.they say they empty the soul of a body to pt a reencarnated person is stead and they are not your children anymore.this is sick and dangerous religion and deform all the nature and the armonic social net.they say they also put devils on the children to serve them and not th parents.how we can defend ourselves from these sick sectas?im ateis thank you
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#7Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 09/13/2008 - 20:31.
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May I thank you all for
May I thank you all for setting these islamist straight about Hindusim. My close friend succumbed to their brainwashing and left our Dharma to become a muslim. His reason? Because of the rubbish spat out by people like Mink in these message boards and also on you tube (Zakir Naik!). I introduced him to great swamis amongst us from Chinmaya etc but it was too late. I hope for others it is not. If only others had given solid replies like you have.
Hari Om and Peace
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#8Submitted by Mink ka abbu (not verified) on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 22:28.
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Mink beta.U at hindu site
Mink beta.U at hindu site not muslim.People just ignore him.He is delibrately here to abuse hindus.Nothing u say to mink is going to make him see reason/truth.Brainwashed idiot terrorist.
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#9Submitted by Diler Dogra on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 21:17.
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mink, You are a fanatical
mink,
You are a fanatical muslim and have closed your brain to reason. Any way let me try to clarify although I know muslims are not capable of reason.
You say "so when you say that GOD is a cow you are telling a lie becoz cow is an animal nad not GOD"
Nobody says Cow is a god, Hindus say Cow is mother. But Cow is a holy animal because it gives us Milk and feeds us when we are young. Your prophet asked a grown up man to suckle a grown up womans breast so that she would consider him son. See http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/nursing_of_adults.htm
Muhammad’s wife Aisha also used to suckle grown up men to make them her children. Although this is weird but you think it is still acceptable but Hindus consider a Cow which suckles them as their mother is unacceptable. And since Hindus respect mother they respect Cow and therefore worship her. For Hindus worship is a way of respect. We even worship our guests. We believe worship and respect is the same. But muslims think they are different but do not know the difference between them.
You say "You worship shivling again it is a lie and indescent to worship sex organ of a man"
Do you have any reference to prove that Shiv ling is a sex organ or is this how you have been brainwashed by mullahs. Shiv Ling is a representation of Jyotirling (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotirlinga )which is a column of light without start or without end. That is how God is without start or without end.
But at the same time some people say the black stone in Mecca is a womens vagina. I know most muslims do not believe that, but some muslims claim it true. watch the proof on:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgKUwpvycqk
You say "So islam is scientifically very correct that Allah created everything from nothing."
Every major religion says the same thing, Christianity, Jews and Hinduism say the same thing. Actually I believe Muhammad copied it from Christianity.
But I would say Hinduism is a step ahead and more clear as it says before creation there was not time. Which is confirmed by modern scientists. Dennis Curran wrote:
"What do Hindus believe regarding the creation of the earth and life upon it? That of the world's major religions, the Hindu creation story was the only one that gave an age for the earth close to the current scientifically accepted age"
You say "and reincarnation is senseless becoz you see the population of the world it is constatnly growing and this is not possibble with reincarnation.." Well we say reincarnation is possible between all species. Many species have become exitinct because of growth of Human population. Does your muslim brain see the difference.
You say "if you return to straight path i will stop talking bad about you as simple as that..."
Have you ever considered that it is you who could be on the wrong path. Look at the non-muslim world. It is full of joy happiness, love, progress and humanity and look at Islamic world which is full of despair, hate, backwardness and inhumanity. Well I am sure if there is a God he would put people who made this world a heaven into heaven and people who made this world hell into hell. I am sorry to say but you are on your way to hell or becoming a donkey in your next life unless you change your thinking
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#10Submitted by Gautam Gohil (not verified) on Sun, 03/22/2009 - 17:52.
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Sagun and Nirgun Bhakti I
Sagun and Nirgun Bhakti
I appreciate the way you have given a befitting reply that bloody fanatic mink. Moreover, I would like to add that we Hindus practise Sagun Bhakti while as these muslims follow Nirgun Bhakti wherein there is no idol or picture of God/Goddess nevertherless the bloody people are ignorant the Nigun Bhakti can only be pratised if one is completely devoid of ego, lust, greed, vanity and anger... which muslims can never conquer... what an ignorant lot! We need more people like you who show these muslims their actual place.
Jai Mataji...
Taken from http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/diler-dogra/hindu-concept-of-god-answering-muslims-who-deride-hinduism-for-idol-worship-and-pol
Submitted by Diler Dogra on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 08:55.
For Abrahmics (Muslim, Christian) monothiesm is the ultimate sign of religious purity. Polythiests are considered as primitive pagans, Kafirs or Heathen. Children are taught that these polytheists are the most corrupt people because they do not believe in true God therefore it is the duty of every Abrahmic to either convert the pagan or to kill him. It is fair to hate a pagan. This is also the core philosophy on which Kashmiri muslims are brainwashed and made to hate Hindu India and its people.
But the truth is concept of Monothism came from India and Hindus. But our monothism was not fanatic but tolerant. Our tolerance led us to accept that although there is one God or one reality there is no harm if people worship the true God in any form.
12th century Muslim Philosopher/historian and traveler to India, Al-Biruni wrote "The Hindus believe with regard to God that he is one, eternal, without beginning and end, acting by free-will, almighty, all-wise, living, giving life, ruling, preserving; one who in his sovereignty is unique, beyond all likeness and unlikeness, and that he does not resemble anything nor does anything resemble him."
Biruni argued that Hinduism was a monotheistic faith like Islam, and in order to justify this assertion, he quotes Hindu texts and argues that the worship of idols is "exclusively a characteristic of the common people, with which the educated have nothing to do."
Our Omnipotent and Omnipresent true GOD (Eshwar) is able to discriminate between good and bad intensions of his followers. He does not mind if a person worships Idols because he knows that this is an innocent and sincere act of an innocent person who is trying to worship him in some physical form. Therefore he accepts his worship.
Although Hindus believe there is only one true God called Eshwar everything or every other god is just an aspect of the same God. Since God is omnipotent and omnipresent, he is not insecure and does not get jealous if any innocent person worships him in any form or calls him by any name
The great God would get angry is when he sees people worshipping a rapist, mass murderer, terrorist, pedophile, womanizer, a person who committed incest with his own daughter-in-law and ultimately spread hate in the name of religion. And he will surely get angry if such a person is called as God’s messenger. He will roast all those people to hell who follow such a evil person’s example and become terrorists, rapists, pedophiles or robbers. Muslim concept of God is a jealous insecure person who will torcher people for not worshipping him. Their god does not understand justice (justice means punishment should not exceed crime)
Hindus believe that purpose of worship is to gain inner peace and to get God’s blessing unlike Muslims who believe the purpose of worship is to satisfy their narcissist God’s ego and command. Our God is not superficial so he understands and accepts the prayers of an ignorant person who worships him even in the form of an Idol.
Our God punishes unrighteous people like pedophiles, rapists, robbers and murderers. Our God sends us Gurus, Saints and Avatars who are role models and not criminals.
Dard dil ke wastay Paida kia Insaan ko
Warna TaAt ke lyay kuch kam na the karrobiyaan(farishtay)
This shair from Mir clearly says that God does not need humans to worship him but to be nice and empathetic to each other.
Muslim fanatics don't understand this and go on raping and killing people in God's name. God will be prepare the worst hell for them.
* Diler Dogra's blog
* 1672 reads
#1Submitted by Pramod (not verified) on Sun, 11/30/2008 - 01:53.
Pramod's picture
We the Brahmins are the real
We the Brahmins are the real suckers of Hindu society. We had get our ass fucked by the moghuls and the britishers in the past.
Please fuck my holy ass as I belong to god's family.
We Brahmins are the real criminals and terrorist of this samaj.
Oh God please tell someone to fuck our holy ass.
* reply
#2Submitted by amir (not verified) on Thu, 10/30/2008 - 04:48.
amir's picture
dear brothers,i feel very
dear brothers,i feel very bad when u r contraindicating to each others.for muslims arguements are probhited,if some one asks u any questions u should give answer but not hurt his feelings as our prophet(pbuh) did.if he asks to explain islam
plz tell him in a so,call manner as our prophet(pbuh)told,and dont contraindicate with their religion.even in quran its written (mahfoom-ALLAH for give me if im mistaken)
''show them the righteous way but im the only who will give them faith''.
another version
''i have put a stamp on there eyes,mouth,ears,hearts,as they cant understand and listen''.so my appeal to all muslims tell in that manner so,that there books r considered foreg:=vedas,upnishids,shrutis,"words of GOD".and also bhavashya puran(kalaki avtar),in which it is clearly represented that ("when the people from arab, will come and there head will be prophet(pbuh) accept them and follow them").
so,my request to all brothers 1st to gain the knowledge and then u will get the truth,the faith,the eternity.but be afar from arguements bcz these r evildeeds of satan, only making hatredness and poison in hearts.respect to there religion as they will respect to ours.oh! Almighty ALLAH give the right pathway to all as they dont know what they r doing and forgive all sins, and unite us,take in ur shadow.A-meen
* reply
#3Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 22:03.
Anonymous's picture
Do not compare christianity
Do not compare christianity to islam u suar raahil. We christians do not worship west side like u satanists or a black stone which is like muhameds ass.
* reply
#4Submitted by raahil (not verified) on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 16:05.
raahil's picture
Hey Dear BRAHMAN Y ur
Hey Dear BRAHMAN Y ur misleading me by saying dont compare christian with Islam. U know V muslim can easily catch satanic word so dear BRAHAMAN please try some thing else on me....I wont say any thng rong bout Our messanger's including ISAA ALE SALAAM (Prophet Jesus) book even there is some differences.U khanzir BRAHMAN.
* reply
#5Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 17:52.
Anonymous's picture
So as u people say, u people
So as u people say, u people are ignorant and thats why u worship idol, So tell me people who know what they are doing is ignorance and still do it, What does this imply ???
* reply
#6Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 09/14/2008 - 17:20.
Anonymous's picture
why muslims are so fanatic
why muslims are so fanatic that consider themselves married to a woman that is having sex with another man and he and she have children and ive in another land,nothing to do with the muslim religion and what is this about been married from the ass or bottom?i understand now why they keep molestion my breast,because they want to have sex whith mommy,as i become mother and wife of a not existing insane,a particular practice that started with internet.this people are sick in mind and soul.they even say that they marry unborn children from the bottom by sodomizing them and then what they get belong to them.they say they empty the soul of a body to pt a reencarnated person is stead and they are not your children anymore.this is sick and dangerous religion and deform all the nature and the armonic social net.they say they also put devils on the children to serve them and not th parents.how we can defend ourselves from these sick sectas?im ateis thank you
* reply
#7Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 09/13/2008 - 20:31.
Anonymous's picture
May I thank you all for
May I thank you all for setting these islamist straight about Hindusim. My close friend succumbed to their brainwashing and left our Dharma to become a muslim. His reason? Because of the rubbish spat out by people like Mink in these message boards and also on you tube (Zakir Naik!). I introduced him to great swamis amongst us from Chinmaya etc but it was too late. I hope for others it is not. If only others had given solid replies like you have.
Hari Om and Peace
* reply
#8Submitted by Mink ka abbu (not verified) on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 22:28.
Mink ka abbu's picture
Mink beta.U at hindu site
Mink beta.U at hindu site not muslim.People just ignore him.He is delibrately here to abuse hindus.Nothing u say to mink is going to make him see reason/truth.Brainwashed idiot terrorist.
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#9Submitted by Diler Dogra on Thu, 09/04/2008 - 21:17.
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mink, You are a fanatical
mink,
You are a fanatical muslim and have closed your brain to reason. Any way let me try to clarify although I know muslims are not capable of reason.
You say "so when you say that GOD is a cow you are telling a lie becoz cow is an animal nad not GOD"
Nobody says Cow is a god, Hindus say Cow is mother. But Cow is a holy animal because it gives us Milk and feeds us when we are young. Your prophet asked a grown up man to suckle a grown up womans breast so that she would consider him son. See http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/nursing_of_adults.htm
Muhammad’s wife Aisha also used to suckle grown up men to make them her children. Although this is weird but you think it is still acceptable but Hindus consider a Cow which suckles them as their mother is unacceptable. And since Hindus respect mother they respect Cow and therefore worship her. For Hindus worship is a way of respect. We even worship our guests. We believe worship and respect is the same. But muslims think they are different but do not know the difference between them.
You say "You worship shivling again it is a lie and indescent to worship sex organ of a man"
Do you have any reference to prove that Shiv ling is a sex organ or is this how you have been brainwashed by mullahs. Shiv Ling is a representation of Jyotirling (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotirlinga )which is a column of light without start or without end. That is how God is without start or without end.
But at the same time some people say the black stone in Mecca is a womens vagina. I know most muslims do not believe that, but some muslims claim it true. watch the proof on:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgKUwpvycqk
You say "So islam is scientifically very correct that Allah created everything from nothing."
Every major religion says the same thing, Christianity, Jews and Hinduism say the same thing. Actually I believe Muhammad copied it from Christianity.
But I would say Hinduism is a step ahead and more clear as it says before creation there was not time. Which is confirmed by modern scientists. Dennis Curran wrote:
"What do Hindus believe regarding the creation of the earth and life upon it? That of the world's major religions, the Hindu creation story was the only one that gave an age for the earth close to the current scientifically accepted age"
You say "and reincarnation is senseless becoz you see the population of the world it is constatnly growing and this is not possibble with reincarnation.." Well we say reincarnation is possible between all species. Many species have become exitinct because of growth of Human population. Does your muslim brain see the difference.
You say "if you return to straight path i will stop talking bad about you as simple as that..."
Have you ever considered that it is you who could be on the wrong path. Look at the non-muslim world. It is full of joy happiness, love, progress and humanity and look at Islamic world which is full of despair, hate, backwardness and inhumanity. Well I am sure if there is a God he would put people who made this world a heaven into heaven and people who made this world hell into hell. I am sorry to say but you are on your way to hell or becoming a donkey in your next life unless you change your thinking
* reply
#10Submitted by Gautam Gohil (not verified) on Sun, 03/22/2009 - 17:52.
Gautam Gohil's picture
Sagun and Nirgun Bhakti I
Sagun and Nirgun Bhakti
I appreciate the way you have given a befitting reply that bloody fanatic mink. Moreover, I would like to add that we Hindus practise Sagun Bhakti while as these muslims follow Nirgun Bhakti wherein there is no idol or picture of God/Goddess nevertherless the bloody people are ignorant the Nigun Bhakti can only be pratised if one is completely devoid of ego, lust, greed, vanity and anger... which muslims can never conquer... what an ignorant lot! We need more people like you who show these muslims their actual place.
Jai Mataji...
Taken from http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/diler-dogra/hindu-concept-of-god-answering-muslims-who-deride-hinduism-for-idol-worship-and-pol
HINDU PEDOPHILIA IS RAMPANT
CHILD-MARRIAGE Enforced by the Brahmins, this custom destroyed the very life-soul of the non-Brahmins. Child marriage of daughters as young 5-6 y old was common during the Brahmanic Dark Ages due to the custom of dowry Nand 17 Bash.167-8 Yad 70 Alt.16 Ban.70 . Lawbooks prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! This is the wonderful wisdom of the most authoritative Hindu law-book - Manu.IX.94 : "
A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner." One of the reasons for such early marriage of girls was to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected Sheth 67. This shows that non-virgin girls could not be married, a custom similar to Church-ruled medieval Europe. The custom of child-marriage and child-molesting has divine sanction in Hinduism. The `great god' Rama was 16 years old when he married Sita, and Sita was only 14 years old Ram.wh 68 plus 1 .
However, the age of Sita is now known to be a forgery; it is almost certain that she was, as per the Manuid laws, one-third of his age, namely 5 years old. It is inconceivable to imagine that `great' Rama could have dated to violate the Vedic laws of Manu. Besides being a child-molester, `holy' Rama was also guilty of incest, for Sita is referred to in the oldest surviving Ramayanas as his own sister
" In the Dasarathajataka Sita is represented as the sister as well as the wife of Rama , son of Dasaratha of the Ikshvaku line."
Chandra, p.156 Mr. Chandra, who has given the pbuttage cited above, then claims that this incriminating pbuttage was `infiltrated' by the Buddhist nastikas. This objection, however, can be discounted immediately. Firstly, it would not be possible for Buddhists to `distort' a Hindu scripture. Secondly, Chandra himself is a Brahminist, so his statements in defence of Brahmanism can be discounted as being the result of religious fanaticism. The fact is, that the extant Buddhist tales are much older than the Hindu versions, and this episode was deleted from the later falsified Ramayanas.
This is confirmed by anthropological research showing that incest was insbreastutionalised in Rama's race, the Ikshvaku dynasty of Aryan Kshatriyas : " In the Anabattha Sutta and the Mahavastu Avadana we are told that the Ikshvaku princes, who were banished by their father and took shelter on the slopes of the Himalayas, and from whom the Sakyas traced their descent, married their own sisters in order to maintain the purity of their line." -- Chandra, p.155 Hence, it is virtually certain that Sita was Rama's sister, and that it is certain that such an `upright astik Hindu' as he would not have let his sister grow beyond the age limit of 8 years prescribed by Aryan law.
Now, what was the main reason for the Brahmins enforcing child marriage and incest upon the subject populations ? The answer is that these activities led to the permanent genetic degradation of the non-Brahmin races. It is well known that consanginuous marriage leads to genetic mutations in the offspring and eventually ends in the extermination of the blood lineage concerned.
Incest and child marriage has a high risk of leading to irreversible hereditary defects in the second generation which are then pbutted on to succeeding generations. These were hence convenient methods for the Brahmins to annihilate the non-Brahmins and establish a pure Brahmavarta ! Even to this day one finds the process of genetic deterioration occurring in non-Brahmin children inhabiting Brahmin-ruled regions. These are entirely the result of Brahmin-enforced child-marriage and Brahmin-inflicted incest.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/HINDU-PEDOPHILIA-IS-RAMPANT.html
A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner." One of the reasons for such early marriage of girls was to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected Sheth 67. This shows that non-virgin girls could not be married, a custom similar to Church-ruled medieval Europe. The custom of child-marriage and child-molesting has divine sanction in Hinduism. The `great god' Rama was 16 years old when he married Sita, and Sita was only 14 years old Ram.wh 68 plus 1 .
However, the age of Sita is now known to be a forgery; it is almost certain that she was, as per the Manuid laws, one-third of his age, namely 5 years old. It is inconceivable to imagine that `great' Rama could have dated to violate the Vedic laws of Manu. Besides being a child-molester, `holy' Rama was also guilty of incest, for Sita is referred to in the oldest surviving Ramayanas as his own sister
" In the Dasarathajataka Sita is represented as the sister as well as the wife of Rama , son of Dasaratha of the Ikshvaku line."
Chandra, p.156 Mr. Chandra, who has given the pbuttage cited above, then claims that this incriminating pbuttage was `infiltrated' by the Buddhist nastikas. This objection, however, can be discounted immediately. Firstly, it would not be possible for Buddhists to `distort' a Hindu scripture. Secondly, Chandra himself is a Brahminist, so his statements in defence of Brahmanism can be discounted as being the result of religious fanaticism. The fact is, that the extant Buddhist tales are much older than the Hindu versions, and this episode was deleted from the later falsified Ramayanas.
This is confirmed by anthropological research showing that incest was insbreastutionalised in Rama's race, the Ikshvaku dynasty of Aryan Kshatriyas : " In the Anabattha Sutta and the Mahavastu Avadana we are told that the Ikshvaku princes, who were banished by their father and took shelter on the slopes of the Himalayas, and from whom the Sakyas traced their descent, married their own sisters in order to maintain the purity of their line." -- Chandra, p.155 Hence, it is virtually certain that Sita was Rama's sister, and that it is certain that such an `upright astik Hindu' as he would not have let his sister grow beyond the age limit of 8 years prescribed by Aryan law.
Now, what was the main reason for the Brahmins enforcing child marriage and incest upon the subject populations ? The answer is that these activities led to the permanent genetic degradation of the non-Brahmin races. It is well known that consanginuous marriage leads to genetic mutations in the offspring and eventually ends in the extermination of the blood lineage concerned.
Incest and child marriage has a high risk of leading to irreversible hereditary defects in the second generation which are then pbutted on to succeeding generations. These were hence convenient methods for the Brahmins to annihilate the non-Brahmins and establish a pure Brahmavarta ! Even to this day one finds the process of genetic deterioration occurring in non-Brahmin children inhabiting Brahmin-ruled regions. These are entirely the result of Brahmin-enforced child-marriage and Brahmin-inflicted incest.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/HINDU-PEDOPHILIA-IS-RAMPANT.html
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Islam is taking us to hell
It is quiet surprising the tenents laid down by a nomad(Prophet) who was nothing but a pedophile & sex maniac is being taken up so seriously & religiously even today by passionate Islam followers. Anything that came in between him & his sexual excursions today have become rules in the Islam world not to be circumvented.
Islam religion is full of hatred, non violence & bloodshed & deserves to be shunned & eradicated as fast as possible. What is a religion to be followed so passionately which glorifies intolerance towards non Moslems & promises virgins after death.The sooner the followers of Islam renounce the religion the faster peace,tranquility will be restored in this world. Today all Islam following zealots are living in a dark age.
This is quiet obvious by looking at the state of all Muslim countries.
Ravaged by war, bloodshed the Moslems today are totally a disillusioned lot with nowhere to go.
What is religion which allows 4 marriages openly supporting polygamy.The Arabs are lumpens so its easy to understand they falling a prey to Muhammad's doctrines but have other countries (Iran, Pakistan,Malaysia, Indonesia)
lost their senses to adapt such a horrific religion.
Posted by: GodAlmighty, Germany, 05-01-2005 at 1605 hours IST
ha ha eheheh.. this is hilarious.. all these comments are so funny.. i cant believe such (well, im hoping 4 yr olds din write this) mature people would argue over religion.. lol.. this the best place to be.. good entertainment package... but certainly lame and pathetic.. lol.. what's the point.. we're all equal when it comes down to being human. no one's greater ...we all live on this friggedy earth.
people, im an india (hindu) girl who's madly in love with his bangladeshi (muslim) boy.. and i dont give a shit what frikkin racist or discriminative ppl say.. ima marry him no matter what.
stop arguing for heck's sake. you're all right in your own places... you're just causing yourself problems.. like.. tension.. or highblood pressure :).. if you can get along.. you'll be happier... therefore, healthier :).. lol.. ha ha
Posted by: koo, India, 01-11-2004 at 0957 hours IST
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Muslim lobby is misled..So much bloodbath/butchered-corpses,BEAR muslim jihadi-names?Muslims cannot tolerate OTHERS bexc Koran at 2.3tok23.68 tutors them to"put boiling water over the heads of non-muslims/skin them-be a friend/neighbour,if he doesn't convert"? Mughals failed to convert all Hindus in Ind-due to heavy resistance from Guru Gobind Singhji-"aghar no hotte Guru Gobind Singh,sunit hotti sabhki"(Hashim,1720).Shivaji/Brave Rajputs, also fought against these conversions.US-Blacks,prefer Islam,not for religious link,but for acquiring addl.wives.Why,muslims have a problem,if a Hindu boy marries a muslim girl?Why,do they accept Hindu-girl,marrying a muslim boy?Islam,in theory means"achieve peace with God",those butchered corpses/bloodbath,in the world-speaks for Islamic-peace! Islam is barbaric-cult,a political-ambition/ mission,to capture the globe,byTerror/ killing others.In Hamid Mir's interview 25/9/01,Osama says"Mohd,gave orders for killing jews/christians,for failing to build towns"and had also ordered"to throw them in Sea"! Grandson,Hussain of Mohd,was butchered to death,since then Shias are killed and Shias kill Sunnies,for centuries! Where is peace/muslim tolerance?
Posted by: pps.ahluwalia, United States, 26-08-2004 at 2332 hours IST
Hindu Boy and Muslim Girl
Dear all,
It is pathetic to know that many of us have the veiw of the religions each others. Both Muslims and Hindus...Both had to condemn this act of Love marriage what is this it is not a practise in Hindu culture and neither in thwe teaching of Islam.......this is the culture of western where no values of relations are there being a father and mother or sister and brother no mutual respect for each other......let,s not go in that....we have to preserve our culture and modesty of Bharat The Great secular country.......
Posted by: Abdul Rahman, Saudi Arabia, 26-08-2004 at 1512 hours IST
Islam-hinduism
I cannot believe this? I never knew hindus were so full of hate? How dare u make these rude remarks with no basis at all? All your "facts" are based on ignorance? I am a muslim and I don't have a problem with hindus. I have many hindu friends in fact. First of all you talk about how hinduism and buddhism is the fastest growing religion, BS!!! Take a look at a globe, dumb asses, who's hindu and buddhist? Indians and SOME of eastern asia. Then look at the islamic countries and their population. Like Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, a lot of eastern europe and MUCH MORE! So dont try to pull that crap sayin only a few pakistani's and irani's are muslim. Thats why your dumb country is stricken with disease, floods, poverty. I went to Indian last year and it is by far the filthiest place ever. Lizards, rats, bony dogs, dirty smelly people begging on the streets. But go to a place like the United Arab Emirates, it is beautiful, clean, and the poeple are kind. u all talk about how great your religion is. U all worship thingsthat you made up, those statues that you pray to, u made them yourselves! If islam is wrong, then so are christians, and jews. U idiots are all goin to hell!
Posted by: Sultana, United States, 18-08-2004 at 0818 hours IST
hindu-muslim
why don't muslims agree that non-violence is the supreme religion.If they believe in this then all the evils will be removed from the society.why do they always talk of killing?
Posted by: naren, United States, 27-07-2004 at 2252 hours IST
Kow the truth
Mr.Sameer Khan, in ur post u mentioned some ill practises of Hinduism. Thats why it changed. Don't you know anything(s) more brutal in Islam which is(are) still being practised?. wanna know more goto www.faithfreedom.org hard to believe?, well, that is how truth is, BITTER. Pavan.
Posted by: Pavan Karra, 05-07-2004 at 2127 hours IST
Bhagwat Geeta
When Hindus talk about religion, they unmistakably refer to Geeta & say this is a great great practical text of religion. India has 80% Hinuds. Say 80 % of them are religious. Then how many have read Geeta? Hardly 1 %. How many practice life as per Geeta? 0.0000001? How many Hindu parents teach their kids the great great Geeta? If Geeta is so great & so practical a philosophy, then why majority of Hindus care adamn about it? Or is it that Hindus know pretty well that Geeta is a useless outdated piece of scripture & needs to be discarded? The answerers must be honest enough to declare whether they have read Geeta & practicing it.
Posted by: prabhanjan nandan, 05-07-2004 at 1558 hours IST
No religion is Perfect but evolves.
Mohammed, there is no argument, with that logic.Hindus also believe that there is one God and that God is omnipotent and omnipresent, compassionate and all powerful.In fact the 4 out of 5 Pillars of Islam, are identical to the Hindu Dharma, even the counting of the beads were imported by Islam.Now here is the crunch, casting aside,emotion,personal prejudices,passion and hatred, if you question, any any religious preacher/scholar, if they have or had seen GOD OR SPOKEN TO GOD?The scientific truth is emphatic NO,and impossible to PROVE. Religion is one's FAITH AND PERSONAL BELIEF. You believe in what you want to believe, without constantly being told that you are a pagan,idol worshipper and so on.I was recently in Israel and had witnessed that young palestanians,were carrying the pictures of shiek yassin/saddam/ khomeni and were procalimnig that they worship them.The point is this, no religion is perfect or absolute.God manifests in many ways.What What is not accetable about Muslims,is harrangeing the Hindus,telling the Hindus that Islam is the perfect religion. This is where lies the faultline, not tolerating others belief and faith.There is no perfect religion
Posted by: Dilip, 05-07-2004 at 1456 hours IST
koran= killing manual
koran is a killing manual. read bhagvad gita instead to purify soul and to know the divine cosmological philosophy. albert eninstien the famous scientist was influenced by bahgvad gita. there is no comparision between gita and koran. if koran was written in hell then gita was written in heaven.
Posted by: samit roy, 05-07-2004 at 1335 hours IST
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=31515
It is quiet surprising the tenents laid down by a nomad(Prophet) who was nothing but a pedophile & sex maniac is being taken up so seriously & religiously even today by passionate Islam followers. Anything that came in between him & his sexual excursions today have become rules in the Islam world not to be circumvented.
Islam religion is full of hatred, non violence & bloodshed & deserves to be shunned & eradicated as fast as possible. What is a religion to be followed so passionately which glorifies intolerance towards non Moslems & promises virgins after death.The sooner the followers of Islam renounce the religion the faster peace,tranquility will be restored in this world. Today all Islam following zealots are living in a dark age.
This is quiet obvious by looking at the state of all Muslim countries.
Ravaged by war, bloodshed the Moslems today are totally a disillusioned lot with nowhere to go.
What is religion which allows 4 marriages openly supporting polygamy.The Arabs are lumpens so its easy to understand they falling a prey to Muhammad's doctrines but have other countries (Iran, Pakistan,Malaysia, Indonesia)
lost their senses to adapt such a horrific religion.
Posted by: GodAlmighty, Germany, 05-01-2005 at 1605 hours IST
ha ha eheheh.. this is hilarious.. all these comments are so funny.. i cant believe such (well, im hoping 4 yr olds din write this) mature people would argue over religion.. lol.. this the best place to be.. good entertainment package... but certainly lame and pathetic.. lol.. what's the point.. we're all equal when it comes down to being human. no one's greater ...we all live on this friggedy earth.
people, im an india (hindu) girl who's madly in love with his bangladeshi (muslim) boy.. and i dont give a shit what frikkin racist or discriminative ppl say.. ima marry him no matter what.
stop arguing for heck's sake. you're all right in your own places... you're just causing yourself problems.. like.. tension.. or highblood pressure :).. if you can get along.. you'll be happier... therefore, healthier :).. lol.. ha ha
Posted by: koo, India, 01-11-2004 at 0957 hours IST
A Hindu,A muslim-a doomed love story
Muslim lobby is misled..So much bloodbath/butchered-corpses,BEAR muslim jihadi-names?Muslims cannot tolerate OTHERS bexc Koran at 2.3tok23.68 tutors them to"put boiling water over the heads of non-muslims/skin them-be a friend/neighbour,if he doesn't convert"? Mughals failed to convert all Hindus in Ind-due to heavy resistance from Guru Gobind Singhji-"aghar no hotte Guru Gobind Singh,sunit hotti sabhki"(Hashim,1720).Shivaji/Brave Rajputs, also fought against these conversions.US-Blacks,prefer Islam,not for religious link,but for acquiring addl.wives.Why,muslims have a problem,if a Hindu boy marries a muslim girl?Why,do they accept Hindu-girl,marrying a muslim boy?Islam,in theory means"achieve peace with God",those butchered corpses/bloodbath,in the world-speaks for Islamic-peace! Islam is barbaric-cult,a political-ambition/ mission,to capture the globe,byTerror/ killing others.In Hamid Mir's interview 25/9/01,Osama says"Mohd,gave orders for killing jews/christians,for failing to build towns"and had also ordered"to throw them in Sea"! Grandson,Hussain of Mohd,was butchered to death,since then Shias are killed and Shias kill Sunnies,for centuries! Where is peace/muslim tolerance?
Posted by: pps.ahluwalia, United States, 26-08-2004 at 2332 hours IST
Hindu Boy and Muslim Girl
Dear all,
It is pathetic to know that many of us have the veiw of the religions each others. Both Muslims and Hindus...Both had to condemn this act of Love marriage what is this it is not a practise in Hindu culture and neither in thwe teaching of Islam.......this is the culture of western where no values of relations are there being a father and mother or sister and brother no mutual respect for each other......let,s not go in that....we have to preserve our culture and modesty of Bharat The Great secular country.......
Posted by: Abdul Rahman, Saudi Arabia, 26-08-2004 at 1512 hours IST
Islam-hinduism
I cannot believe this? I never knew hindus were so full of hate? How dare u make these rude remarks with no basis at all? All your "facts" are based on ignorance? I am a muslim and I don't have a problem with hindus. I have many hindu friends in fact. First of all you talk about how hinduism and buddhism is the fastest growing religion, BS!!! Take a look at a globe, dumb asses, who's hindu and buddhist? Indians and SOME of eastern asia. Then look at the islamic countries and their population. Like Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, a lot of eastern europe and MUCH MORE! So dont try to pull that crap sayin only a few pakistani's and irani's are muslim. Thats why your dumb country is stricken with disease, floods, poverty. I went to Indian last year and it is by far the filthiest place ever. Lizards, rats, bony dogs, dirty smelly people begging on the streets. But go to a place like the United Arab Emirates, it is beautiful, clean, and the poeple are kind. u all talk about how great your religion is. U all worship thingsthat you made up, those statues that you pray to, u made them yourselves! If islam is wrong, then so are christians, and jews. U idiots are all goin to hell!
Posted by: Sultana, United States, 18-08-2004 at 0818 hours IST
hindu-muslim
why don't muslims agree that non-violence is the supreme religion.If they believe in this then all the evils will be removed from the society.why do they always talk of killing?
Posted by: naren, United States, 27-07-2004 at 2252 hours IST
Kow the truth
Mr.Sameer Khan, in ur post u mentioned some ill practises of Hinduism. Thats why it changed. Don't you know anything(s) more brutal in Islam which is(are) still being practised?. wanna know more goto www.faithfreedom.org hard to believe?, well, that is how truth is, BITTER. Pavan.
Posted by: Pavan Karra, 05-07-2004 at 2127 hours IST
Bhagwat Geeta
When Hindus talk about religion, they unmistakably refer to Geeta & say this is a great great practical text of religion. India has 80% Hinuds. Say 80 % of them are religious. Then how many have read Geeta? Hardly 1 %. How many practice life as per Geeta? 0.0000001? How many Hindu parents teach their kids the great great Geeta? If Geeta is so great & so practical a philosophy, then why majority of Hindus care adamn about it? Or is it that Hindus know pretty well that Geeta is a useless outdated piece of scripture & needs to be discarded? The answerers must be honest enough to declare whether they have read Geeta & practicing it.
Posted by: prabhanjan nandan, 05-07-2004 at 1558 hours IST
No religion is Perfect but evolves.
Mohammed, there is no argument, with that logic.Hindus also believe that there is one God and that God is omnipotent and omnipresent, compassionate and all powerful.In fact the 4 out of 5 Pillars of Islam, are identical to the Hindu Dharma, even the counting of the beads were imported by Islam.Now here is the crunch, casting aside,emotion,personal prejudices,passion and hatred, if you question, any any religious preacher/scholar, if they have or had seen GOD OR SPOKEN TO GOD?The scientific truth is emphatic NO,and impossible to PROVE. Religion is one's FAITH AND PERSONAL BELIEF. You believe in what you want to believe, without constantly being told that you are a pagan,idol worshipper and so on.I was recently in Israel and had witnessed that young palestanians,were carrying the pictures of shiek yassin/saddam/ khomeni and were procalimnig that they worship them.The point is this, no religion is perfect or absolute.God manifests in many ways.What What is not accetable about Muslims,is harrangeing the Hindus,telling the Hindus that Islam is the perfect religion. This is where lies the faultline, not tolerating others belief and faith.There is no perfect religion
Posted by: Dilip, 05-07-2004 at 1456 hours IST
koran= killing manual
koran is a killing manual. read bhagvad gita instead to purify soul and to know the divine cosmological philosophy. albert eninstien the famous scientist was influenced by bahgvad gita. there is no comparision between gita and koran. if koran was written in hell then gita was written in heaven.
Posted by: samit roy, 05-07-2004 at 1335 hours IST
Taken from http://www.expressindia.com/news/messages.php?newsid=31515
K a r i m a DDN: Choice of words is a process of intellect
Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:42:06 -0700
B i s m i l l a a h i r R a h m a a n i r R a h e e m
FAO: Kannan Devan, Yunus Sidira, and Lal Gehi
When a human is born he does not know things, but he has the means of knowledge, the mind, the sense of hearing and the sense of seeing. Man was born to search for truth and to come upon the truth, not to follow false ways. The false people who deny others their freedom of belief are of many types: corrupt scholars, monks, seers, rulers, and ignorant, misguided layman i.e. one who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.
Some of these false people go so far as to distort God's scriptures revealed to his messengers, in order to legitimize their whims. They corrupt those scriptures by adding foreign materials to them. I do not hesitate to say that tampering with people's faith and corrupting morality and values have become a routine job for certain groups from among the Christian missionaries, and people like you, who nurse a deep-set hatred for Islam, its Holy Book, Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him), and Muslims.
Choice of words is a process of intellect. Did the three (3) of you think that what you wrote about Islam's Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) was going to shock and anger our Muslim community? It just did not happen! It only revealed to us your individual mind(s) - minds psychologically in a state of confusion, battle, aggression, hate, and total misery - an appalling state of despair and frustration. Thus, I think you have a problem that precedes this one by more than an inch - and that, whoever you are, is your state of mind.
For example, your hands are perfectly harmonious with each other, your fingers move together and your eyes move with your hands (hopefully). But there may be conflict in your mind, absence of harmony between (lack of) the correct knowledge in your mind and your feelings insofar as you have internalised certain concepts or ideas which are then in conflict. Do you follow?
Your mind then sets up these strange dualities. And that is the problem. Are dualities created artificially? First of all because you are a Hindu, Jew, Christian or Buddhist, I am a Muslim and my religion is Islam and yours Hinduism, Judaism, Christinity or Taoism. Are they created artificially because each society has its own vested interest, each group has its own particular form of belief? Or is the division created in oneself by the 'me' and the 'not me'?
Yes, the 'me' is a conditioned entity The duality that bedevils us most, the duality of you and me, your God and my God, your religion and my religion. I have an image of you, you have an image of me. What I have gathered from your corrupt language, you have absolutely no capacity to see the rights of an individual's belief as it is, because you are only able to interpret it through your own terminology, your categories, your temperament, your prejudices and last but not least, your burning hatred for another's religious belief.
Since I am aware of your aversion to Muslims and Islam, I will not bother to impart the Muslim and Islamic views vis-à-vis people like you. I will, however, let non-Muslims tell you instead:
Quote -
Man can certainly flee from God... but he cannot escape Him. He can certainly hate God and be hateful to God, but he cannot change into its opposite the eternal love of God which triumphs even in his hate. Karl Barth
Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal
In time we hate that which we often fear. William Shakespeare
It belongs to human nature to hate those you have injured. Tacitus
Hate is the consequence of fear; we fear something before we hate it. Cyril
Connolly
When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate. Francois de
La Rochefoucauld
Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated. Coretta Scott King
A man who lives, not by what he loves but what he hates, is a sick man.
Archibald Macleish
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
James A. Baldwin
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. Hermann Hesse
The voice of the intelligence is drowned out by the roar of fear. It is ignored by the voice of desire. It is contradicted by the voice of shame. It is biased by hate and extinguished by anger. Most of all it is silenced by ignorance.
Karl A. Menninger
In hatred as in love, we grow like the thing we brood upon. What we loathe, we graft into our very soul. Mary Renault
There is no faculty of the human soul so persistent and universal as that of hatred. Henry Ward Beecher
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get. Confucius
Race hate isn't human nature; race hate is the abandonment of human nature.
Orson Welles
Hatred is self-punishment. Hosea Ballou
You cannot hate other people without hating your self. Oprah Winfrey
Hatred, which could destroy so much, never failed to destroy the man who hated and this was an immutable law. James Baldwin
Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater. George Washington Carver
Let them hate, so long as they fear. Lucius Accius
"... from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Herman Melville
Who can refute a sneer? William Paley - unquote.
One of you (Yunus Sidira) wrote: "Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to justify nonsense."
Yes, you are right - it is the Muslims' choice. And don't waste energy to justify (your) nonsense!
However, your disgraceful and shameless attitude towards Muslims, and the fanaticism and malice the three (3) of you reveal about yourselves is confirmed, that whenever there is a chance you will write utter nonsense about our Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) and Islam.
Where, then, is freedom of choice practised? Who is fanatic, and who is tolerant?
Don't bother to respond.
K a r i m a
DDN
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
Pedophile MohaMad was a messenger of death and doom. He raped a six year old girl Aisha, married 23 women, beheaded hundreds of innocent kafirs,
and was a slave trader.
___________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: Muslims believe in the Koran Under Hypnotic Trance
What makes Muslims to believe in the satanic versus in the unholy Koran? What makes Muslims to practice, preserve and promote Jihadi terrorism as prescribed in the Koran? We may ask Muslims the reason for his belief and practices? Consider the case of a posthypnotic suggestion. A man has been told, under hypnosis, to open the window five minutes after coming out of his hypnotic sleep. He acts accordingly. when asked ( i )whether he had a reason for opening the window, he says. when asked (ii) what his reason was, he says, it is awfully hot in here. He cannot answer the question negative. Is the fact that it is hot in the room a reason for opening the window? Muslims believe in the criminal versus in the Koran not for any valid reasons, but they are under hypnotic trance and indoctrination of mindless Mullahs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Yunus Sidira
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: What makes Muslims believe in the Quran?
It is settled that Mohammed was a rapist warlord who created his alter ego called Allah (Moon God of pre-Islamic decent Arabs) and packaged with Quran that is full of errors, teachings of hatred and violence that make its follower two-legged brutes, and scientific blunders.
Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to
justify nonsense.
-Yunus
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lal Gehi
To:
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
THE SO CALLED RELIGION, OF ISLAM, WHICH IS TORN IN 72 DIFFERENT SECTS, CAN NOT BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE.!!
PEACE DOES NOT POP OUT FROM PIECES OF PEACE. !!
FALSE ADVERTISE OF ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT RELIGION OF PEACE. !!
ACTIONS SPEAK, LOUDER THAN THE WORDS.!!
Lal
B i s m i l l a a h i r R a h m a a n i r R a h e e m
FAO: Kannan Devan, Yunus Sidira, and Lal Gehi
When a human is born he does not know things, but he has the means of knowledge, the mind, the sense of hearing and the sense of seeing. Man was born to search for truth and to come upon the truth, not to follow false ways. The false people who deny others their freedom of belief are of many types: corrupt scholars, monks, seers, rulers, and ignorant, misguided layman i.e. one who is a non-expert in a given field of knowledge.
Some of these false people go so far as to distort God's scriptures revealed to his messengers, in order to legitimize their whims. They corrupt those scriptures by adding foreign materials to them. I do not hesitate to say that tampering with people's faith and corrupting morality and values have become a routine job for certain groups from among the Christian missionaries, and people like you, who nurse a deep-set hatred for Islam, its Holy Book, Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him), and Muslims.
Choice of words is a process of intellect. Did the three (3) of you think that what you wrote about Islam's Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) was going to shock and anger our Muslim community? It just did not happen! It only revealed to us your individual mind(s) - minds psychologically in a state of confusion, battle, aggression, hate, and total misery - an appalling state of despair and frustration. Thus, I think you have a problem that precedes this one by more than an inch - and that, whoever you are, is your state of mind.
For example, your hands are perfectly harmonious with each other, your fingers move together and your eyes move with your hands (hopefully). But there may be conflict in your mind, absence of harmony between (lack of) the correct knowledge in your mind and your feelings insofar as you have internalised certain concepts or ideas which are then in conflict. Do you follow?
Your mind then sets up these strange dualities. And that is the problem. Are dualities created artificially? First of all because you are a Hindu, Jew, Christian or Buddhist, I am a Muslim and my religion is Islam and yours Hinduism, Judaism, Christinity or Taoism. Are they created artificially because each society has its own vested interest, each group has its own particular form of belief? Or is the division created in oneself by the 'me' and the 'not me'?
Yes, the 'me' is a conditioned entity The duality that bedevils us most, the duality of you and me, your God and my God, your religion and my religion. I have an image of you, you have an image of me. What I have gathered from your corrupt language, you have absolutely no capacity to see the rights of an individual's belief as it is, because you are only able to interpret it through your own terminology, your categories, your temperament, your prejudices and last but not least, your burning hatred for another's religious belief.
Since I am aware of your aversion to Muslims and Islam, I will not bother to impart the Muslim and Islamic views vis-à-vis people like you. I will, however, let non-Muslims tell you instead:
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Man can certainly flee from God... but he cannot escape Him. He can certainly hate God and be hateful to God, but he cannot change into its opposite the eternal love of God which triumphs even in his hate. Karl Barth
Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal
In time we hate that which we often fear. William Shakespeare
It belongs to human nature to hate those you have injured. Tacitus
Hate is the consequence of fear; we fear something before we hate it. Cyril
Connolly
When our hatred is violent, it sinks us even beneath those we hate. Francois de
La Rochefoucauld
Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated. Coretta Scott King
A man who lives, not by what he loves but what he hates, is a sick man.
Archibald Macleish
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
James A. Baldwin
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us. Hermann Hesse
The voice of the intelligence is drowned out by the roar of fear. It is ignored by the voice of desire. It is contradicted by the voice of shame. It is biased by hate and extinguished by anger. Most of all it is silenced by ignorance.
Karl A. Menninger
In hatred as in love, we grow like the thing we brood upon. What we loathe, we graft into our very soul. Mary Renault
There is no faculty of the human soul so persistent and universal as that of hatred. Henry Ward Beecher
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get. Confucius
Race hate isn't human nature; race hate is the abandonment of human nature.
Orson Welles
Hatred is self-punishment. Hosea Ballou
You cannot hate other people without hating your self. Oprah Winfrey
Hatred, which could destroy so much, never failed to destroy the man who hated and this was an immutable law. James Baldwin
Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater. George Washington Carver
Let them hate, so long as they fear. Lucius Accius
"... from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Herman Melville
Who can refute a sneer? William Paley - unquote.
One of you (Yunus Sidira) wrote: "Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to justify nonsense."
Yes, you are right - it is the Muslims' choice. And don't waste energy to justify (your) nonsense!
However, your disgraceful and shameless attitude towards Muslims, and the fanaticism and malice the three (3) of you reveal about yourselves is confirmed, that whenever there is a chance you will write utter nonsense about our Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) and Islam.
Where, then, is freedom of choice practised? Who is fanatic, and who is tolerant?
Don't bother to respond.
K a r i m a
DDN
----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
Pedophile MohaMad was a messenger of death and doom. He raped a six year old girl Aisha, married 23 women, beheaded hundreds of innocent kafirs,
and was a slave trader.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kannan Devan
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: Muslims believe in the Koran Under Hypnotic Trance
What makes Muslims to believe in the satanic versus in the unholy Koran? What makes Muslims to practice, preserve and promote Jihadi terrorism as prescribed in the Koran? We may ask Muslims the reason for his belief and practices? Consider the case of a posthypnotic suggestion. A man has been told, under hypnosis, to open the window five minutes after coming out of his hypnotic sleep. He acts accordingly. when asked ( i )whether he had a reason for opening the window, he says. when asked (ii) what his reason was, he says, it is awfully hot in here. He cannot answer the question negative. Is the fact that it is hot in the room a reason for opening the window? Muslims believe in the criminal versus in the Koran not for any valid reasons, but they are under hypnotic trance and indoctrination of mindless Mullahs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Yunus Sidira
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: What makes Muslims believe in the Quran?
It is settled that Mohammed was a rapist warlord who created his alter ego called Allah (Moon God of pre-Islamic decent Arabs) and packaged with Quran that is full of errors, teachings of hatred and violence that make its follower two-legged brutes, and scientific blunders.
Yet if Muslims follow Quran, it is their choice. Don't waste energy to
justify nonsense.
-Yunus
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----- Original Message -----
From: Lal Gehi
To:
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pedophile Mohamad was the prophet of death and doom
THE SO CALLED RELIGION, OF ISLAM, WHICH IS TORN IN 72 DIFFERENT SECTS, CAN NOT BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE.!!
PEACE DOES NOT POP OUT FROM PIECES OF PEACE. !!
FALSE ADVERTISE OF ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT RELIGION OF PEACE. !!
ACTIONS SPEAK, LOUDER THAN THE WORDS.!!
Lal
Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one Muslim has converted to Hinduism
Subject: Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism
Jai Hind 7/22/2005 3:55:05 AM
While millions of hindus have left the dark and paganism of hinduism to the more enlightened religion of islam and christianity
but i have yet to find 1, just 1 example of a muslim converting to hinduism
and in a democracy like india where there is religious freedom there must be plenty of examples of this happening
can you hindus please tell me of such cases
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hinduatma Give ,me an good example............. 8/6/2005 4:33:38 AM
Hindusim is not major religion of USA..and coming back to religious speeches in USQA.U must read speech by Swami Vivekananda in world congrees of religions in chicago .He has started his speech was received by standingh ovation..........I think every one in this world ackowledges Hindusim greatness.U may hate it for ur reason"mr jai hind" But the fact remains that hindusim has been and will be one of torch bearers of principle of ahimsa.our vedas teach us and our great father of nation has taught us.Ur nation all it has is Jiinnah...give me one good instance where jinnah was really ackowledged by world community ........U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story...................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated ,becos he has stood for cause of Hindu muslim unity.Hindusim has produced such a gr8 individuals..we have never produced osama,zwahiri,or say ramzi yusuf who are bent upon killing innocent ppl for seeking thier senseless fundamentalistic attitudes
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Green Dragon RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 5:38:32 AM
From what I understand of Judaism, they are no more interested in marketing their religion than Hinduism which is kind of ironic considering the typical anti-Semitic literature/rants. I fully agree that Islam is very focused on conversion, nay possibly obsessed. This necessarily begs the question of why? Islam as it is currently interpreted and practised requires a steady infusion of 'new blood' if it is to perpetuate itself. This is a result of social and cultural practises which mean that if Islam does not have a steady source of new converts it will wither and die as a faith system. I rely on the demographics, muslims openly proclaim how numerous they are, I don't disagree with their figures even when they are exaggerated because the truly Muslim and even the very few Islamic countries in the world seem to share a number of common and from my perspective undesirable traits. Namely, poor education, poor public health care, low life expectancy, government corruption and lack of a civil society. In western/westernised countries the greatest success rates for conversion to Islam occur in High Security Prisons amongst the inmates, as much as I would like to comment on this further I shall refain. To me it is perfectly natural that Islam must actively evangelise and successfully convert non-muslims by whatever means necessary or perish. As Hindus and Jews see no need to do so these faiths are most alien to the Muslim mind set and are thus accorded a disproportionate degree of Islamic hostility.
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IndianRaj RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 7:03:42 PM
I agree with you completely green dragon, the only people who convert to islam are the lowest members of societies...basically all the lowlifes and village idiots convert to islam.
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Khalsa Raj PAKIS - One of many many examples of enlightened people escaping your faith 9/7/2005 9:50:31 PM
Just reach Sant Lakhbir Singh of village Bakapur who became a devout Sikh after leaving Islam! Sant Lakhbir Singh (1860-1935) a convert to Sikhism was born Karim Baksh to Muslim parents, Natthua and Basri, at Bakapur, a sma11 village about 3 km from Phillaur, in the Punjab, which became the site of a big Sikh convention at the advent of the twentieth century. Karim Bakhsh had a religious bent of mind from the very beginning. This disturbed his family, who, to detract him from his lonely ways, married him to a girl, named Jlndo, when he was barely twelve. At the age of 15, Karim Bakhsh's quest for spiritual company took him to a Sikh saint, Bhai lkahla Singh of Banga, in Jalandhar district. He spent two years at his feet. After Bhai Kahla Singh's death, Karim Baksh Sought solace in the service of his disciple, Bhai illa Singh of Thakurval, in Hoshiarpur district. For twelve years he presentcd himsclf once every week in the holy saligat at Thakurval, about 30 km away from his village.
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musloko-maro RE:Give ,me an good example............. 9/7/2005 10:07:26 PM
hinduatma ----U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story..................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated----- Let me get this straight! Did Gandhi, yes Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the Mahatma, Porbhandar born Bania, ever vist the U.S. of A.? I could not find any info regarding this. The only thing 'American" Gandhi ever had was the Ingersoll silver pocket watch, valued at $8 dollars(then) and he used the two door Buick car, U.S. made, to visit the Viceroy, after the Jalianwallabagh massacre, and that was well before proceeding to the Round Table Conference, in London. Correct me, if I am wrong. Here's the shocker! BTW, Gandhi, with his avowedly pacifism & peace policy was termed as India's national misfortune by many, including Moti Lal Nehru(father of Jawahar Lal) and Sarojini Naidu said, that it took millions of rupees to keep the Mahatma poor!
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counterstrike RE:Give ,me an good example............. 10/13/2005 3:33:47 AM
renegade u waited and analysed this long to give such a funny answer..lol ever heard of sharuk Khan, Salman Khan,........ there are so many of them they dominate the Indian film Industry. come on just don't give such absurd answers, let finish this off ok ISLAM is a good religion so is HINDUISIM I like ISLAM & HINUISIM, so why do we want fight like idiots and become a toast to the westerners?
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trustedsourceofinfo RE:To tell you the truth.... 10/14/2005 2:49:27 AM
To tell you the truth-none of you Pakistanis have the faintest clue either abt Islam or the Koran! I am sick and tired of reading these stories abt people killing in the name of the prophet even in your holy month. The Koran needs to be revamped totally or discarded!its too much of a threat to the free world!
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Shirrush RE: Conversion to Hinduism??? 10/14/2005 3:21:54 PM
You all must pardon my crass ignorance, but I was not aware that such a thing even existed. Conversion to Islam is a process that culminates solemnly with the convert saying the Shahadah, becoming a Christian involves Baptism, Communion, and the abjuration of any previous faith, and you'd better be female if you're long-winded and patient enough to want to become Jewish, because otherwise it'd hurt in addition to driving you bonkers! I've seen people adopting Hindu rituals, ideas and dietary restriction, but none of them ever mentioned any sort of conversion process or being certified as a full card-bearing Hindu by a Brahmin or any other sort of religious authority. Most Jews, like most Westerners, usually chose the less complex and somewhat less demanding Buddhism as their way to apostasy (shame on them!), but I've heard of quite a few instances of people joining an ashram and then staying on for the whole thing, without ever undergoing anything even remotely reminiscent of a conversion ceremony. I think it is a given that many Hindus have converted to Islam in the last few decades in order to escape their lower-caste condition, but isn't it true that even more have joined the actively-proselytizing Catholic Church, especially in South India? When I was growing up in W. Europe, there was a convent across the street where I lived, and there were plenty of tiny brown, underfed-looking very young nun novices from Kerala looking out of place among the large burly fair-skinned teutonic natives. I also remember an authoritative, leading and high-ranking orthodox rabbi introducing us kids to the powerful attraction of the inclusiveness and of the inherent tolerance of the Hindu philosophy, by showing us Hebrew rabbinical-esoteric texts from the 17th or 18th century's India, where we could detect the strong Hindu odor of the reincarnation theory. Judaism per se focusses on earthly life and does not have much of a central afterlife mythology, so adapting the Indian thing to the Jewish taste went nowhere near heresy but this still exemplifies the power of Hinduism as the most ancient , most comprehensive and most complex of all extant religions.
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counterstrike RE:RENEGADE 10/30/2005 1:19:36 PM
idiot we already gave one or should I say many but ur dumb head thought for sometime and said he changed so that he could shine in BOLLYWOOD. so then what is religionof Shah rukh, AMIR Khan, SALMAN KHAN, Saif ALI KAHN...? but, why didn't this question arise in ur dumb head?....lol and I am still waiting for a nuteral source that says India Lost the Kargil war and lost 1000 men too.....LOL... ur are really any bad escape artist.
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enlighten RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 2:02:11 PM
That is the first step second islamic law/shariat law once muslim become majority then finally Talibanisation
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trustedsourceofinfo RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 5:15:00 PM
What is your point dude?
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wise man RE:Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism 9/16/2006 11:51:35 PM
There are plenty of instances of conversion from Islam to Hinduism, I provide one prominent example below:.
See: Khan, Abdul Majid, "Research about Muslim Aristocracy in East Pakistan" in Pierre Bessaignet edited book - Social Research in East Pakistan, Asiatic Society of Pakistan, (Dacca 1960)
On pages 23-25 it states that because of Caitanya's influence large scale conversions to Hinduism took place at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of nineteenth century
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musloko-maro 9/17/2006 9:46:38 AM
The caption should have been: Why is it that millions and millions of Hindus, along with with millions of non-muslims, have been raped/prostituted/sodomized into islam, and not the other way around? Now you know the answer!
Islam was accomplished through a terrorist manual called koran, devised by a caravan-theif-pedophile, who conveniently married his mush older employer kadhija and a six year old girl, and openly listed for his daughter-in-law, and had his son divorce his wife, so that he could bed his own ex daughter-in-law? SIMPLE!
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rogue Expansionism of islam and christianity 9/20/2006 1:22:22 AM
Hinduism is not expansionist by nature....hindu's do not strive to convert as many people to their religion as possible. Islam and christianity on the other hand are expansionist and so they are at the verge of a "another" major conflict. Adopting hinduism is a matter of personal choice rather than being either forced (islam) or lured (christianity) into conversion.
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musloko-maro 9/20/2006 4:08:22 PM
Yesterday, the BBC reported a 18 yr old Muslim girl in England went to India to marry her 21 yr old Hindu boyfriend, whom she met on the internet, and married him.
The photo showed the girl and the boy with garlands. Neither the boy chose leave Hindu faith nor the girl chose to become a Hindu, though the wedding was solemnised in a generic Hindu style, which is impossible in islam.
The girl's father in England(last name Gaur) was highly distraught, and exploded in no uncertain terms. The mother of the girl wanted the boy to convert to islam save himself and the marriage and the girl!
Thank goodness and fairplay, the boy and the girl chose to live in India, after getting married
Taken from http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/72-13262/page3.aspx
Jai Hind 7/22/2005 3:55:05 AM
While millions of hindus have left the dark and paganism of hinduism to the more enlightened religion of islam and christianity
but i have yet to find 1, just 1 example of a muslim converting to hinduism
and in a democracy like india where there is religious freedom there must be plenty of examples of this happening
can you hindus please tell me of such cases
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hinduatma Give ,me an good example............. 8/6/2005 4:33:38 AM
Hindusim is not major religion of USA..and coming back to religious speeches in USQA.U must read speech by Swami Vivekananda in world congrees of religions in chicago .He has started his speech was received by standingh ovation..........I think every one in this world ackowledges Hindusim greatness.U may hate it for ur reason"mr jai hind" But the fact remains that hindusim has been and will be one of torch bearers of principle of ahimsa.our vedas teach us and our great father of nation has taught us.Ur nation all it has is Jiinnah...give me one good instance where jinnah was really ackowledged by world community ........U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story...................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated ,becos he has stood for cause of Hindu muslim unity.Hindusim has produced such a gr8 individuals..we have never produced osama,zwahiri,or say ramzi yusuf who are bent upon killing innocent ppl for seeking thier senseless fundamentalistic attitudes
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Green Dragon RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 5:38:32 AM
From what I understand of Judaism, they are no more interested in marketing their religion than Hinduism which is kind of ironic considering the typical anti-Semitic literature/rants. I fully agree that Islam is very focused on conversion, nay possibly obsessed. This necessarily begs the question of why? Islam as it is currently interpreted and practised requires a steady infusion of 'new blood' if it is to perpetuate itself. This is a result of social and cultural practises which mean that if Islam does not have a steady source of new converts it will wither and die as a faith system. I rely on the demographics, muslims openly proclaim how numerous they are, I don't disagree with their figures even when they are exaggerated because the truly Muslim and even the very few Islamic countries in the world seem to share a number of common and from my perspective undesirable traits. Namely, poor education, poor public health care, low life expectancy, government corruption and lack of a civil society. In western/westernised countries the greatest success rates for conversion to Islam occur in High Security Prisons amongst the inmates, as much as I would like to comment on this further I shall refain. To me it is perfectly natural that Islam must actively evangelise and successfully convert non-muslims by whatever means necessary or perish. As Hindus and Jews see no need to do so these faiths are most alien to the Muslim mind set and are thus accorded a disproportionate degree of Islamic hostility.
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IndianRaj RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 9/7/2005 7:03:42 PM
I agree with you completely green dragon, the only people who convert to islam are the lowest members of societies...basically all the lowlifes and village idiots convert to islam.
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Khalsa Raj PAKIS - One of many many examples of enlightened people escaping your faith 9/7/2005 9:50:31 PM
Just reach Sant Lakhbir Singh of village Bakapur who became a devout Sikh after leaving Islam! Sant Lakhbir Singh (1860-1935) a convert to Sikhism was born Karim Baksh to Muslim parents, Natthua and Basri, at Bakapur, a sma11 village about 3 km from Phillaur, in the Punjab, which became the site of a big Sikh convention at the advent of the twentieth century. Karim Bakhsh had a religious bent of mind from the very beginning. This disturbed his family, who, to detract him from his lonely ways, married him to a girl, named Jlndo, when he was barely twelve. At the age of 15, Karim Bakhsh's quest for spiritual company took him to a Sikh saint, Bhai lkahla Singh of Banga, in Jalandhar district. He spent two years at his feet. After Bhai Kahla Singh's death, Karim Baksh Sought solace in the service of his disciple, Bhai illa Singh of Thakurval, in Hoshiarpur district. For twelve years he presentcd himsclf once every week in the holy saligat at Thakurval, about 30 km away from his village.
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musloko-maro RE:Give ,me an good example............. 9/7/2005 10:07:26 PM
hinduatma ----U know gandhi was welcomed in USA during his visit and till date remains one of the few very indians on whom time has ran a cover story..................Gandhi has remained an epitome of peace........U know why he was assasinated----- Let me get this straight! Did Gandhi, yes Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the Mahatma, Porbhandar born Bania, ever vist the U.S. of A.? I could not find any info regarding this. The only thing 'American" Gandhi ever had was the Ingersoll silver pocket watch, valued at $8 dollars(then) and he used the two door Buick car, U.S. made, to visit the Viceroy, after the Jalianwallabagh massacre, and that was well before proceeding to the Round Table Conference, in London. Correct me, if I am wrong. Here's the shocker! BTW, Gandhi, with his avowedly pacifism & peace policy was termed as India's national misfortune by many, including Moti Lal Nehru(father of Jawahar Lal) and Sarojini Naidu said, that it took millions of rupees to keep the Mahatma poor!
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counterstrike RE:Give ,me an good example............. 10/13/2005 3:33:47 AM
renegade u waited and analysed this long to give such a funny answer..lol ever heard of sharuk Khan, Salman Khan,........ there are so many of them they dominate the Indian film Industry. come on just don't give such absurd answers, let finish this off ok ISLAM is a good religion so is HINDUISIM I like ISLAM & HINUISIM, so why do we want fight like idiots and become a toast to the westerners?
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trustedsourceofinfo RE:To tell you the truth.... 10/14/2005 2:49:27 AM
To tell you the truth-none of you Pakistanis have the faintest clue either abt Islam or the Koran! I am sick and tired of reading these stories abt people killing in the name of the prophet even in your holy month. The Koran needs to be revamped totally or discarded!its too much of a threat to the free world!
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Shirrush RE: Conversion to Hinduism??? 10/14/2005 3:21:54 PM
You all must pardon my crass ignorance, but I was not aware that such a thing even existed. Conversion to Islam is a process that culminates solemnly with the convert saying the Shahadah, becoming a Christian involves Baptism, Communion, and the abjuration of any previous faith, and you'd better be female if you're long-winded and patient enough to want to become Jewish, because otherwise it'd hurt in addition to driving you bonkers! I've seen people adopting Hindu rituals, ideas and dietary restriction, but none of them ever mentioned any sort of conversion process or being certified as a full card-bearing Hindu by a Brahmin or any other sort of religious authority. Most Jews, like most Westerners, usually chose the less complex and somewhat less demanding Buddhism as their way to apostasy (shame on them!), but I've heard of quite a few instances of people joining an ashram and then staying on for the whole thing, without ever undergoing anything even remotely reminiscent of a conversion ceremony. I think it is a given that many Hindus have converted to Islam in the last few decades in order to escape their lower-caste condition, but isn't it true that even more have joined the actively-proselytizing Catholic Church, especially in South India? When I was growing up in W. Europe, there was a convent across the street where I lived, and there were plenty of tiny brown, underfed-looking very young nun novices from Kerala looking out of place among the large burly fair-skinned teutonic natives. I also remember an authoritative, leading and high-ranking orthodox rabbi introducing us kids to the powerful attraction of the inclusiveness and of the inherent tolerance of the Hindu philosophy, by showing us Hebrew rabbinical-esoteric texts from the 17th or 18th century's India, where we could detect the strong Hindu odor of the reincarnation theory. Judaism per se focusses on earthly life and does not have much of a central afterlife mythology, so adapting the Indian thing to the Jewish taste went nowhere near heresy but this still exemplifies the power of Hinduism as the most ancient , most comprehensive and most complex of all extant religions.
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counterstrike RE:RENEGADE 10/30/2005 1:19:36 PM
idiot we already gave one or should I say many but ur dumb head thought for sometime and said he changed so that he could shine in BOLLYWOOD. so then what is religionof Shah rukh, AMIR Khan, SALMAN KHAN, Saif ALI KAHN...? but, why didn't this question arise in ur dumb head?....lol and I am still waiting for a nuteral source that says India Lost the Kargil war and lost 1000 men too.....LOL... ur are really any bad escape artist.
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enlighten RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 2:02:11 PM
That is the first step second islamic law/shariat law once muslim become majority then finally Talibanisation
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trustedsourceofinfo RE:Seems Conversion is all what Islam wants to achive 10/30/2005 5:15:00 PM
What is your point dude?
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wise man RE:Millions of Hindus have converted to Islam but not one muslim has converted to Hinduism 9/16/2006 11:51:35 PM
There are plenty of instances of conversion from Islam to Hinduism, I provide one prominent example below:.
See: Khan, Abdul Majid, "Research about Muslim Aristocracy in East Pakistan" in Pierre Bessaignet edited book - Social Research in East Pakistan, Asiatic Society of Pakistan, (Dacca 1960)
On pages 23-25 it states that because of Caitanya's influence large scale conversions to Hinduism took place at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of nineteenth century
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musloko-maro 9/17/2006 9:46:38 AM
The caption should have been: Why is it that millions and millions of Hindus, along with with millions of non-muslims, have been raped/prostituted/sodomized into islam, and not the other way around? Now you know the answer!
Islam was accomplished through a terrorist manual called koran, devised by a caravan-theif-pedophile, who conveniently married his mush older employer kadhija and a six year old girl, and openly listed for his daughter-in-law, and had his son divorce his wife, so that he could bed his own ex daughter-in-law? SIMPLE!
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rogue Expansionism of islam and christianity 9/20/2006 1:22:22 AM
Hinduism is not expansionist by nature....hindu's do not strive to convert as many people to their religion as possible. Islam and christianity on the other hand are expansionist and so they are at the verge of a "another" major conflict. Adopting hinduism is a matter of personal choice rather than being either forced (islam) or lured (christianity) into conversion.
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musloko-maro 9/20/2006 4:08:22 PM
Yesterday, the BBC reported a 18 yr old Muslim girl in England went to India to marry her 21 yr old Hindu boyfriend, whom she met on the internet, and married him.
The photo showed the girl and the boy with garlands. Neither the boy chose leave Hindu faith nor the girl chose to become a Hindu, though the wedding was solemnised in a generic Hindu style, which is impossible in islam.
The girl's father in England(last name Gaur) was highly distraught, and exploded in no uncertain terms. The mother of the girl wanted the boy to convert to islam save himself and the marriage and the girl!
Thank goodness and fairplay, the boy and the girl chose to live in India, after getting married
Taken from http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/72-13262/page3.aspx
Thus, dowry, which is the very root of the Hindu evils of sati and brideburning
In this chapter I shall analyse how the cunning Brahmins used slow and stealthy means of destroying...
THE CURSE OF THE VEDIC DOWRY SYSTEM The Vedas prescribe that a dowry be given by the bride's family to the groom. The Rig Veda states that cows and gifts given by the Aryan father of the bride to the daughter accompanied the bride's procession Rg Ved X.85 Apte 12 . Kakshivat in the Vedas says he became rich by the father-in-law giving him 10 chariots and maids and 1060 cows during the marriage ceremony Rg Ved I.126 Apte 13 . Dowry is referred to as `Streedhana' and is an ancient practice Docu . This custom implied that women were, in addition to being viewed as mere love objects, severe economic liabilities for the parents.
Indeed, the Brahmins raised the level of dowry to such ridiculous levels that the non-Brahmins were forced to liquidate their female children or face economic ruin. In this manner, the non-Brahmins exterminated their own females, perpetuating Brahmin dominance. We see this philosophy in action today. Over the last 50 years, more than 50 million female children were liquidateed as a result of Vedic dowry and infanticide laws (see chapter 1).
The ancient Vedic custom of kanyadan, where the father presented his daughter with jewelry and clothes at the time of her marriage, and vardakshina where the father presented the groom with cash and kind are, in essence the dowry system. This curse is fully sanctioned in the Vedas. These examples show that dowry was practiced in ancient times.
Thus, in order to marry Sita to `godly' Rama, her father had to supply her with 100 crores of gold mohurs, 10000 carriages, 10 lakh horses, 60000 elephants, 100000 male slaves, 50000 female slaves, 2 crores of cows and 100000 pearls, and many other items Ram.wh 61 . Thus, dowry, which is the very root of the Hindu evils of sati and bride-burning, is given `divine' santion by the `noble' Hindu gods
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/Thus--dowry--which-is-the-very-root-of-the-Hindu-evils-of-sati-and-brideburning.html
THE CURSE OF THE VEDIC DOWRY SYSTEM The Vedas prescribe that a dowry be given by the bride's family to the groom. The Rig Veda states that cows and gifts given by the Aryan father of the bride to the daughter accompanied the bride's procession Rg Ved X.85 Apte 12 . Kakshivat in the Vedas says he became rich by the father-in-law giving him 10 chariots and maids and 1060 cows during the marriage ceremony Rg Ved I.126 Apte 13 . Dowry is referred to as `Streedhana' and is an ancient practice Docu . This custom implied that women were, in addition to being viewed as mere love objects, severe economic liabilities for the parents.
Indeed, the Brahmins raised the level of dowry to such ridiculous levels that the non-Brahmins were forced to liquidate their female children or face economic ruin. In this manner, the non-Brahmins exterminated their own females, perpetuating Brahmin dominance. We see this philosophy in action today. Over the last 50 years, more than 50 million female children were liquidateed as a result of Vedic dowry and infanticide laws (see chapter 1).
The ancient Vedic custom of kanyadan, where the father presented his daughter with jewelry and clothes at the time of her marriage, and vardakshina where the father presented the groom with cash and kind are, in essence the dowry system. This curse is fully sanctioned in the Vedas. These examples show that dowry was practiced in ancient times.
Thus, in order to marry Sita to `godly' Rama, her father had to supply her with 100 crores of gold mohurs, 10000 carriages, 10 lakh horses, 60000 elephants, 100000 male slaves, 50000 female slaves, 2 crores of cows and 100000 pearls, and many other items Ram.wh 61 . Thus, dowry, which is the very root of the Hindu evils of sati and bride-burning, is given `divine' santion by the `noble' Hindu gods
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/Thus--dowry--which-is-the-very-root-of-the-Hindu-evils-of-sati-and-brideburning.html
ANCIENT TRAVELLERS' ACCOUNTS OF THE HORRORS OF HINDUISM
The abundant observations by ancient travellers testifies to the ubiquity of the practice and the ruthless rigour with which it was enforced. Alexander the Great and the Greeks observed Sati in Punjab Onescrites in Strabo xv.i.ch 30 Barth 59 . The Greek Diodorus Siculus who lived in the 1st century BC, mentioned the practice of sati in his account of the Punjab in the 4th century BC EB 11:421 . Indigenous historical evidence substantiates this, for
` The earliest recorded historical instance of sati is that of the wife of the Hindu general Keteus, who died in 316 B.C. while fighting against Antigonos. Both his wives were eager to perform sati, but as the elder one was with child, only the younger one alone was allowed to carry out her wish.' -- Sheth 104 It is to be noted that the earliest inscriptions in India are dated to only a few decades before this particular citation of sati. In other words Sati is attested in the oldest inscriptions discovered in India, proving that it dates to the greatest antiquity. The sati rite was customary for the widows of Kshatriyas in the end of the first century BC as mentioned by Strabo Strabo XV.ch.700.30 Harp.273 . Sati was performed by all the Aryan races, for it is recorded that the Germanic tribes used to immolate the widows of chieftain to accompany the husband to Valhalla Harp. 273 David.150 . The Scythians also performed a similar rite. This pan-Indo-European occurrence of Sati further confirms that Sati was practiced by the Indo-Aryan barbarians.
The Arab writer Alberuni mentioned the practice of sati among the `Hindus'. al-B. ii p.155 {Ch.LXIX}; ii p.170 {Ch.LXXIII}
" She the widow has only to choose between two things - either to remain a widow as long as ashe lives, or to burn herself, and the latter eventuality is considered preferable ... As regards the wives of kings, they are in the habit of burning them whether they wish it or not." -- al-B.ii.p.155 {Ch.LXIX} This shows that the Hindu kings forcibly burnt their women against their wishes. What true fruits of Vedic philosophy ! Later travellers also refer to this horrible practice : `Nicolo deo Contei states that as many as 3000 of the wives and concubines of the kings of Vijayanagar were pledged to be burnt with their lord on his rest and often ministers and palace servants accompanied the king in rest' -- Bash.188 During the era of Anglo-Brahmin colonialism, when the Brahmins betrayed the nation to the Anglo-Saxon invaders and collaborated with them, the Pandits were free to re-enforce the harsh Vedic sati laws which had been uprooted by the Islamic liberators. Hence the Brahmins thwarted the best efforts of the Non-Brahmin Ram Mohan Roy to stop it Harp.273 .
That Sati actually revived during Brahmin-British rule is also confirmed by the Abbe DuBois - " Sati is more in vogue on the banks of the Ganges, while in Bengal Presidency only 706 suttees occurred in 1817 and in the Madras Presidency out of 30 million inhabitants not 30 allow themselves to be burnt each year." -- DuB.357 DuBois mentions with horror the brute custom of sati : `the wife must, on the rest of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same ceremony pyre of her husband' -- DuB.345 Contemporary literature is replete with references to the practice of sati : a.. One hundred queens of the Chedi king Gangayadeva burnt themselves after the rest of their husband king at Prayaga 1200 p.65 . Sati was not only practiced by the wife of the deceased. Even slave girls, mothers and sister-in-laws were forcefully burnt alive when a man died. So cheap is the life of a Hindu woman ! a.. Dhanapala in his `Tilakamanjari' (p.156) refers to slave girls going towards the ceremony pyre to burn themselves when they learned the rest of their master. 1200, p.66 ftn.132 b.. In the 4th act of the Venisamhara (VII.15) we find the mother of the dead hero coming to the battle field to enter his ceremony pyre along with her daughter-in-law. 1200 p.66 c.. Gajja, the mother rof Anada, burnt herself with her deceased son Raj.Tar. VII.1380 1200, p.66 . d.. Vallabha died with her brother-in-law Malla Raj.Tar. VII.1486 This shows that the brute custom of sati was merely designed to destroy womanhood as a whole, and non-Brahmin women in particular. Sati still continues to this day. In 1990, more than 50 widows were burnt alive as satis. Verma This, once again, is the Brahmin conspiracy at work, destroying non-Brahmin women. Tonsuring of the head was another evil that widows had to face.
The widow was supposed to look like a sannyasi, so that no one would be attracted to her 1200, p.68 plus 1 . The braid of hair, if continued by the widow, would supposedly result in the husband being put in bondage in the next world Skanda Pur., Kashikhanda 4.74 f . If a widow does not become a sati, she should get her head tonsured Vedavyasa II.53 . That these restrictions were enforced is indicated by the contemporary literature. Thus the young widowed daughter of a merchant ( who kept her well-guarded ) had to devise ways and means to enjoy her lover Akhy, p.192-193 1200, p.68 plus 1 .
5.4 BRAHMIN FRAUD HYPOTHESES Several bizarre hypothese have been set forth by obscurantist Brahminists to fabricate non-Vedic explanations for the occurrence of sati, often with less than honest intentions. All these frauds are herein exposed :
Corruption : One silly canard spread by the Brahmins is that the custom of sati started when `Hindu' society started to `degenerate' in the Puranic Dark Ages. If so, then why do the Vedas take this custom for granted? Why did Krishna's wives perform sati? Are we to then conclude that Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu himself, was a corrupt `Hindu'? Again, where did this corruption come from? When did it start? If some outsiders introduced this eivl into India, then it must be one of the Greeks, Bactrians, etc. But they came 1000 years after Krishna! They themselves also do not practice this act ! Krishna was one of the earliest Aryan figures, and this story could hence have not been an invention, since the Aryans were very scared of altering anything in their tradition. These observations prove the Vedic origin of Sati.
Islamic Califate and Sati : One far-fetched Hindu fundamentalist idea ascribes the origin of sati as being due to the molestation of `Hindu' women by Muslim men. Thus the bigoted Brahminist historian Sudheer Birodkar writes Birodkar, Ch.3 : The Hindu Ethos :
" From the 13th century onwards up to the coming of the British, the position of women was insecure due to the arbitrary power structure buttociated with the feudal society and the rule of the Sultans of Delhi. Although during the reign of the later Mughals the situation had improved relatively, women in the medieaval ages were often exposed to the lust of feudal overlords. Their insecurity increased after the dissolution of their husbands. This compulsion which was resultant of a particular age was by far the most important reason for the prevalence of Sati during the middle ages. " Needless to say, this fallacious theory would imply the existence of Muslims to molest Krishna's wives, Madri and the galaxy of Vedic Aryan women who performed self-immolation. It also overlooks the accounts by ancient Greeks and Arabs on the prevalence of sati.
In fact, the Muslim emperors took active steps to abolish sati. (eg. Ghiyasudin, Akbar, Muhammed Tughlaq) and the Sufi saints condemned it. Thus, we find that Muhammed Tughlaq opposed Sati Nand, p.173 The saintly Aurangzeb manifestly opposed the custom of sati and prohibited it in his empire. The Brahmins should also answer, Which Muslims inserted the Sati hymn into the Vedas ?
Here are some questions for bigoted Brahminist historians such as Sudheer Birodkar, R.C. Majumdar and Swami Vivekananda about their fraudulent hypotheses on the Islamic origin of Sati :
a.. Which `Muslim invaders' molested Krishna's wives, forcing them to perform Sati ? b.. Which Muslims introduced the Sati hymns into the Vedas ? c.. Which Muslims fabricated the whole lot of Hindu scriptures of Puranas, Smrtis and Shastras, inserting the verses praising Sati ? d.. Were the Ocean of Story, the Jatakas and the Panca Tantra authored by Muslims in order to fabricate evidence of Sati ? There is only one reason for the propagation of these lies by the Brahmins; that is to cover up their horrible genocide of non-Brahmin women by means of Sati. Now the real reason for Sati has been exposed: it is nothing but Hinduism, and springs from the barbaric Vedas. 5.5 BRAHMIN CONFISCATION OF WIDOWS' PROPERTIES There were two main objectives for the Brahmin genocide of widows: firstly, to annihilate the non-Brahmin races by destroying their women, and secondly, to confiscate the properties of the liquidateed women. The second aspect is vividly described by the French traveller Jean-Baptiste Tavernier, who visited India 6 times between 1641 and 1667. He was a jeweller by profession, and came to India as a result of his involvement with the gem trade. Because he was not a Christian missionary, what he wrote is the result of his own experiences and cannot be dismissed as an inherent religious bias.
In fact, his writings display a marked admiration for India. However, like all observers he was struck by the intense exploitation of non-Brahmin races by Brahmins. This unprejudiced traveller clearly describes Brahmin mbutt liquidate of non-Brahmin widows and their confiscation of their wealth : " The Brahmans accompanying her the Sati exhort her to show resolution and courage, and many Europeans believe that in order to remove the fear of that rest which man naturally abhors, she is given some kind of drink that takes away her senses and removes all apprehensions which the preparations for her (p.165) rest might occasion. It is for the interest of the Brahmans that these unhappy women maintain the resolution they have taken to burn themselves, for all the bracelets which they wear, both in arms and legs, with their earrings and rings, belong of right to the Brahmans, who search for them in the ashes after the women are burnt.
According to the station and wealth of the woman, the bracelets, earrings, and rings are either of gold or silver; the pooorest wear them of copper and tin; but as for precious stones, they do not wear them at all when going to be burnt." -- Tavernier, Vol.II, p.164-165 Tavernier's heart-rending descriptions of the manner in which the cruel Brahmins tied the shrieking woman to posts and then burnt her alive are followed by narratives of greedy Brahmins looting the properties of the women they had end : " I have seen women burnt in three different ways, according to the customs of different countries. In the kingdom of Gujarat; and as far as Agra and Delhi, this is how it takes place : On the margin of a river or tank, a kind of small hut, about 12 feet square, is built of reeds and all kinds of faggots, with which some pots of oil and other drugs are placed in order to make it burn quickly. The woman is seated in a half-reclining position in the middle of the hut, her head reposes on a kind of pollow of wood, and she rests her back against a post, to which she is tied by her waist by one of the Brahmans, for fear lest she should escape on feeling the flame .
In this position she holds the dead body of her busband on her knees, chewing betel all the time; and after having been about half an hour in this condition, the Brahman who has been by her side in the hut goes outside, and she calls out to the priests to apply the fire; this the Brahmans, and the relatives and friends of the woman who are present imediately do, throwing into the fire some pots of oil, so that the woman may suffer less by being quickly consumed. After the bodies have been reduced to ashes, the Brahmans take whatever may be found in the way of melted fold, silver, tin, or copper, derived from the bracelets, earrings, and rings which (p.166) the woman had on; this belongs to them by right, as I have said." -- Tavernier, Vol.II, p.165-166 These descriptions taken directly from Tavernier's Travels (see the References section for the full reference) prove that it was the Brahmins who enforced Sati upon the non-Brahmin races in order to exterminate them and to steal their wealth. It must be remembered that Brahmins had by this time infiltrated the Mughal administration, permitting the continuance of Sati in the Brahmin-occupied regions of India despite prohibitory orders from Mughal kings. It is these inflitrators, such as Mahesh Bhat alias Birbal the Brahmin who sabotaged the Mughal Empire, eventually destroying it.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/ANCIENT-TRAVELLERS--ACCOUNTS-OF-THE-HORRORS-OF-HINDUISM.html
` The earliest recorded historical instance of sati is that of the wife of the Hindu general Keteus, who died in 316 B.C. while fighting against Antigonos. Both his wives were eager to perform sati, but as the elder one was with child, only the younger one alone was allowed to carry out her wish.' -- Sheth 104 It is to be noted that the earliest inscriptions in India are dated to only a few decades before this particular citation of sati. In other words Sati is attested in the oldest inscriptions discovered in India, proving that it dates to the greatest antiquity. The sati rite was customary for the widows of Kshatriyas in the end of the first century BC as mentioned by Strabo Strabo XV.ch.700.30 Harp.273 . Sati was performed by all the Aryan races, for it is recorded that the Germanic tribes used to immolate the widows of chieftain to accompany the husband to Valhalla Harp. 273 David.150 . The Scythians also performed a similar rite. This pan-Indo-European occurrence of Sati further confirms that Sati was practiced by the Indo-Aryan barbarians.
The Arab writer Alberuni mentioned the practice of sati among the `Hindus'. al-B. ii p.155 {Ch.LXIX}; ii p.170 {Ch.LXXIII}
" She the widow has only to choose between two things - either to remain a widow as long as ashe lives, or to burn herself, and the latter eventuality is considered preferable ... As regards the wives of kings, they are in the habit of burning them whether they wish it or not." -- al-B.ii.p.155 {Ch.LXIX} This shows that the Hindu kings forcibly burnt their women against their wishes. What true fruits of Vedic philosophy ! Later travellers also refer to this horrible practice : `Nicolo deo Contei states that as many as 3000 of the wives and concubines of the kings of Vijayanagar were pledged to be burnt with their lord on his rest and often ministers and palace servants accompanied the king in rest' -- Bash.188 During the era of Anglo-Brahmin colonialism, when the Brahmins betrayed the nation to the Anglo-Saxon invaders and collaborated with them, the Pandits were free to re-enforce the harsh Vedic sati laws which had been uprooted by the Islamic liberators. Hence the Brahmins thwarted the best efforts of the Non-Brahmin Ram Mohan Roy to stop it Harp.273 .
That Sati actually revived during Brahmin-British rule is also confirmed by the Abbe DuBois - " Sati is more in vogue on the banks of the Ganges, while in Bengal Presidency only 706 suttees occurred in 1817 and in the Madras Presidency out of 30 million inhabitants not 30 allow themselves to be burnt each year." -- DuB.357 DuBois mentions with horror the brute custom of sati : `the wife must, on the rest of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same ceremony pyre of her husband' -- DuB.345 Contemporary literature is replete with references to the practice of sati : a.. One hundred queens of the Chedi king Gangayadeva burnt themselves after the rest of their husband king at Prayaga 1200 p.65 . Sati was not only practiced by the wife of the deceased. Even slave girls, mothers and sister-in-laws were forcefully burnt alive when a man died. So cheap is the life of a Hindu woman ! a.. Dhanapala in his `Tilakamanjari' (p.156) refers to slave girls going towards the ceremony pyre to burn themselves when they learned the rest of their master. 1200, p.66 ftn.132 b.. In the 4th act of the Venisamhara (VII.15) we find the mother of the dead hero coming to the battle field to enter his ceremony pyre along with her daughter-in-law. 1200 p.66 c.. Gajja, the mother rof Anada, burnt herself with her deceased son Raj.Tar. VII.1380 1200, p.66 . d.. Vallabha died with her brother-in-law Malla Raj.Tar. VII.1486 This shows that the brute custom of sati was merely designed to destroy womanhood as a whole, and non-Brahmin women in particular. Sati still continues to this day. In 1990, more than 50 widows were burnt alive as satis. Verma This, once again, is the Brahmin conspiracy at work, destroying non-Brahmin women. Tonsuring of the head was another evil that widows had to face.
The widow was supposed to look like a sannyasi, so that no one would be attracted to her 1200, p.68 plus 1 . The braid of hair, if continued by the widow, would supposedly result in the husband being put in bondage in the next world Skanda Pur., Kashikhanda 4.74 f . If a widow does not become a sati, she should get her head tonsured Vedavyasa II.53 . That these restrictions were enforced is indicated by the contemporary literature. Thus the young widowed daughter of a merchant ( who kept her well-guarded ) had to devise ways and means to enjoy her lover Akhy, p.192-193 1200, p.68 plus 1 .
5.4 BRAHMIN FRAUD HYPOTHESES Several bizarre hypothese have been set forth by obscurantist Brahminists to fabricate non-Vedic explanations for the occurrence of sati, often with less than honest intentions. All these frauds are herein exposed :
Corruption : One silly canard spread by the Brahmins is that the custom of sati started when `Hindu' society started to `degenerate' in the Puranic Dark Ages. If so, then why do the Vedas take this custom for granted? Why did Krishna's wives perform sati? Are we to then conclude that Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu himself, was a corrupt `Hindu'? Again, where did this corruption come from? When did it start? If some outsiders introduced this eivl into India, then it must be one of the Greeks, Bactrians, etc. But they came 1000 years after Krishna! They themselves also do not practice this act ! Krishna was one of the earliest Aryan figures, and this story could hence have not been an invention, since the Aryans were very scared of altering anything in their tradition. These observations prove the Vedic origin of Sati.
Islamic Califate and Sati : One far-fetched Hindu fundamentalist idea ascribes the origin of sati as being due to the molestation of `Hindu' women by Muslim men. Thus the bigoted Brahminist historian Sudheer Birodkar writes Birodkar, Ch.3 : The Hindu Ethos :
" From the 13th century onwards up to the coming of the British, the position of women was insecure due to the arbitrary power structure buttociated with the feudal society and the rule of the Sultans of Delhi. Although during the reign of the later Mughals the situation had improved relatively, women in the medieaval ages were often exposed to the lust of feudal overlords. Their insecurity increased after the dissolution of their husbands. This compulsion which was resultant of a particular age was by far the most important reason for the prevalence of Sati during the middle ages. " Needless to say, this fallacious theory would imply the existence of Muslims to molest Krishna's wives, Madri and the galaxy of Vedic Aryan women who performed self-immolation. It also overlooks the accounts by ancient Greeks and Arabs on the prevalence of sati.
In fact, the Muslim emperors took active steps to abolish sati. (eg. Ghiyasudin, Akbar, Muhammed Tughlaq) and the Sufi saints condemned it. Thus, we find that Muhammed Tughlaq opposed Sati Nand, p.173 The saintly Aurangzeb manifestly opposed the custom of sati and prohibited it in his empire. The Brahmins should also answer, Which Muslims inserted the Sati hymn into the Vedas ?
Here are some questions for bigoted Brahminist historians such as Sudheer Birodkar, R.C. Majumdar and Swami Vivekananda about their fraudulent hypotheses on the Islamic origin of Sati :
a.. Which `Muslim invaders' molested Krishna's wives, forcing them to perform Sati ? b.. Which Muslims introduced the Sati hymns into the Vedas ? c.. Which Muslims fabricated the whole lot of Hindu scriptures of Puranas, Smrtis and Shastras, inserting the verses praising Sati ? d.. Were the Ocean of Story, the Jatakas and the Panca Tantra authored by Muslims in order to fabricate evidence of Sati ? There is only one reason for the propagation of these lies by the Brahmins; that is to cover up their horrible genocide of non-Brahmin women by means of Sati. Now the real reason for Sati has been exposed: it is nothing but Hinduism, and springs from the barbaric Vedas. 5.5 BRAHMIN CONFISCATION OF WIDOWS' PROPERTIES There were two main objectives for the Brahmin genocide of widows: firstly, to annihilate the non-Brahmin races by destroying their women, and secondly, to confiscate the properties of the liquidateed women. The second aspect is vividly described by the French traveller Jean-Baptiste Tavernier, who visited India 6 times between 1641 and 1667. He was a jeweller by profession, and came to India as a result of his involvement with the gem trade. Because he was not a Christian missionary, what he wrote is the result of his own experiences and cannot be dismissed as an inherent religious bias.
In fact, his writings display a marked admiration for India. However, like all observers he was struck by the intense exploitation of non-Brahmin races by Brahmins. This unprejudiced traveller clearly describes Brahmin mbutt liquidate of non-Brahmin widows and their confiscation of their wealth : " The Brahmans accompanying her the Sati exhort her to show resolution and courage, and many Europeans believe that in order to remove the fear of that rest which man naturally abhors, she is given some kind of drink that takes away her senses and removes all apprehensions which the preparations for her (p.165) rest might occasion. It is for the interest of the Brahmans that these unhappy women maintain the resolution they have taken to burn themselves, for all the bracelets which they wear, both in arms and legs, with their earrings and rings, belong of right to the Brahmans, who search for them in the ashes after the women are burnt.
According to the station and wealth of the woman, the bracelets, earrings, and rings are either of gold or silver; the pooorest wear them of copper and tin; but as for precious stones, they do not wear them at all when going to be burnt." -- Tavernier, Vol.II, p.164-165 Tavernier's heart-rending descriptions of the manner in which the cruel Brahmins tied the shrieking woman to posts and then burnt her alive are followed by narratives of greedy Brahmins looting the properties of the women they had end : " I have seen women burnt in three different ways, according to the customs of different countries. In the kingdom of Gujarat; and as far as Agra and Delhi, this is how it takes place : On the margin of a river or tank, a kind of small hut, about 12 feet square, is built of reeds and all kinds of faggots, with which some pots of oil and other drugs are placed in order to make it burn quickly. The woman is seated in a half-reclining position in the middle of the hut, her head reposes on a kind of pollow of wood, and she rests her back against a post, to which she is tied by her waist by one of the Brahmans, for fear lest she should escape on feeling the flame .
In this position she holds the dead body of her busband on her knees, chewing betel all the time; and after having been about half an hour in this condition, the Brahman who has been by her side in the hut goes outside, and she calls out to the priests to apply the fire; this the Brahmans, and the relatives and friends of the woman who are present imediately do, throwing into the fire some pots of oil, so that the woman may suffer less by being quickly consumed. After the bodies have been reduced to ashes, the Brahmans take whatever may be found in the way of melted fold, silver, tin, or copper, derived from the bracelets, earrings, and rings which (p.166) the woman had on; this belongs to them by right, as I have said." -- Tavernier, Vol.II, p.165-166 These descriptions taken directly from Tavernier's Travels (see the References section for the full reference) prove that it was the Brahmins who enforced Sati upon the non-Brahmin races in order to exterminate them and to steal their wealth. It must be remembered that Brahmins had by this time infiltrated the Mughal administration, permitting the continuance of Sati in the Brahmin-occupied regions of India despite prohibitory orders from Mughal kings. It is these inflitrators, such as Mahesh Bhat alias Birbal the Brahmin who sabotaged the Mughal Empire, eventually destroying it.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/ANCIENT-TRAVELLERS--ACCOUNTS-OF-THE-HORRORS-OF-HINDUISM.html
200 MILLION GIRLS liquidateED BY HINDU'S 4793
The cumulative number of rests due to centuries of Hindu female infanticide is truly staggering. Consider the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 1000 years(1500 BC - 500 BC), and let us adopt the standard population estimate of ancient India, namely 50 million and buttume that the same birth rate and same love ratio existed as today. These are not unreasonable buttumptions, given the statements of various travellers that several entire towns in Brahmanic India were desbreastute of girls.
These figures lead to 1.6 million births, or 0.8 million girls born per year of which at least 0.08 million are end. For 2500 years that yields 2500 years x 0.08 million rests per year = more than 200 million rests for the Brahmanic Dark Ages. This means that the Brahmins have liquidateed 200 million girls during their tyranny over India.
By comparison, all other genocides in world history pale into insignificance. The Nazi genocide of Jews was only 5 million, whilst the largest Holocaust ever, that of the Native Americans by Latin and Anglo-Saxons, was only 100 million. This genocide of female infants alone is sufficient to make the Brahmins the greatest mbutt liquidateers in human history . It does not include the countless other genocides inflicted by the Brahmins on other peoples, an estimate of which is beyond the scope of this book.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/200-MILLION-GIRLS-liquidateED-BY-HINDU-S-4793.html
These figures lead to 1.6 million births, or 0.8 million girls born per year of which at least 0.08 million are end. For 2500 years that yields 2500 years x 0.08 million rests per year = more than 200 million rests for the Brahmanic Dark Ages. This means that the Brahmins have liquidateed 200 million girls during their tyranny over India.
By comparison, all other genocides in world history pale into insignificance. The Nazi genocide of Jews was only 5 million, whilst the largest Holocaust ever, that of the Native Americans by Latin and Anglo-Saxons, was only 100 million. This genocide of female infants alone is sufficient to make the Brahmins the greatest mbutt liquidateers in human history . It does not include the countless other genocides inflicted by the Brahmins on other peoples, an estimate of which is beyond the scope of this book.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/200-MILLION-GIRLS-liquidateED-BY-HINDU-S-4793.html
Genocide of Women in Hinduism
Genocide of Women in Hinduism
Real Reason for Oppression of Indian Women Everyone has heard the Brahmin male propaganda that the customs of sati, dowry, female infanticide and all other social suppression of women in India is the result of `social degeneration', `coruption', or still worse, `foreign Christian or Muslim influence'. This is all one big lie designed to fool women. The reasons are far more deep-rooted, and are fully the result of Brahmin male conspiracies.
The real reason for the sad state of Indian women is the continuation of the Vedic and Vaishnava religions, collectively referred to as Brahminism or `astika' Hinduism. These religions clearly and unambiguously justify and prescribe the crushing of women to the status of sub-humans. Rather than being due to some kind of `corruption', the ghastly practices of sati, female infanticide, dowry and related acts are actually enforced by Vedic and Hindu scriptures. Although this may sound like some Christian or Muslim propaganda, it is not. I have backed up my research with quotations from Vedic and Vaishnava scriptures, and have shown that these religions, and nothing else, are the main culprits behind the most anti-woman system the world has ever seen. Far from being `enlightened' and `progressive', Brahmanism is in fact the very fountain of the evils of sati, female infanticide, devadasism and dowry.
Future of the Womens' Movement The result of my research is far-reaching. Instead of wasting time attacking trivialities, the Hindu religion itself must be attacked by Indian feminism. If Indian women are to become free, it is this faith that must tackled, and nothing else. No other religion, not even Islam or Christianity, burns its women, or dissolutions one-tenth of all women each generation except Hinduism. Indeed, Brahminism is nothing but the legitimised genocide of women. In this book I have performed calculations showing how Brahminist men, and not Communists or Nazis, have been responsible for the greatest genocide (namely that of women) in the history of the world. The worst holocaust in human history was not that of the Jews or Africans, but was that inflicted on women by Brahmins. A significant part of this holocaust occurred in India during thousands of years of Brahmanic tyranny. Even in the modern era, Brahmin-enforced laws lead to the rests of more people each decade than Hitler end during the entire Second World War. To stop this ongoing holocaust, Indian women must unite with all those who oppose Hinduism, for an enemy's enemy is a friend. Indian feminism must unite with Islamism, Communism, Sudra Nationalism and Christianity in order to fight a form of savagery known as Hinduism. By necessity this strategy shall have to vary according to region. In South and Central India, Sudra Nationalism promises to uplift Dravidian, Dalit and Adivasi women on a healthy platform of anti-Brahmanism. This pan-Negroist philosophy is thus a natural ally of Indian feminism. In North India, the allied Islamist ideologies of pan-Islamism and Mughalstanism have proven a potent forces for womens' liberation, witness the Mughal emperors' restrictions on Sati and female infanticide. Indian feminism should hence ally itself with these movements. Communism has helped women in West Bengal and Kerala, and is another natural ally for Indian feminism. Hence, by means of judicious realpolitik, the status of Indian women can be bettered. No Copyright Since I have written this work for humanitarian purpose, I hereby make it free of any copyright. You may freely distribute this book, in part or in whole, via any means you desire, whether by internet, www, email, newsgroup, usenet, or any electronic means. You can also print out this book and translate it, and distribute it in pamphlet form. Help Indian Women Please help Indian women. By distributing chapters of this book via the internet or as pamphlets, you shall be saving innocent lives. Each person can do his little towards this noble cause. By taking a little time to post this to a newsgroup, by hosting this book at your internet site or by adding a link to this book from your page, you shall be doing service towards a valiant movement. This doesn't cost any money; it just takes a little effort. Pleaes help, and prevent further young and beautiful Indian women such as my sister from premature rest at the hands of Brahmin tyrants. Help end the genocide of women in India. Thank You, Sita Agarwal
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/Genocide-of-Women-in-Hinduism-4791.html
Real Reason for Oppression of Indian Women Everyone has heard the Brahmin male propaganda that the customs of sati, dowry, female infanticide and all other social suppression of women in India is the result of `social degeneration', `coruption', or still worse, `foreign Christian or Muslim influence'. This is all one big lie designed to fool women. The reasons are far more deep-rooted, and are fully the result of Brahmin male conspiracies.
The real reason for the sad state of Indian women is the continuation of the Vedic and Vaishnava religions, collectively referred to as Brahminism or `astika' Hinduism. These religions clearly and unambiguously justify and prescribe the crushing of women to the status of sub-humans. Rather than being due to some kind of `corruption', the ghastly practices of sati, female infanticide, dowry and related acts are actually enforced by Vedic and Hindu scriptures. Although this may sound like some Christian or Muslim propaganda, it is not. I have backed up my research with quotations from Vedic and Vaishnava scriptures, and have shown that these religions, and nothing else, are the main culprits behind the most anti-woman system the world has ever seen. Far from being `enlightened' and `progressive', Brahmanism is in fact the very fountain of the evils of sati, female infanticide, devadasism and dowry.
Future of the Womens' Movement The result of my research is far-reaching. Instead of wasting time attacking trivialities, the Hindu religion itself must be attacked by Indian feminism. If Indian women are to become free, it is this faith that must tackled, and nothing else. No other religion, not even Islam or Christianity, burns its women, or dissolutions one-tenth of all women each generation except Hinduism. Indeed, Brahminism is nothing but the legitimised genocide of women. In this book I have performed calculations showing how Brahminist men, and not Communists or Nazis, have been responsible for the greatest genocide (namely that of women) in the history of the world. The worst holocaust in human history was not that of the Jews or Africans, but was that inflicted on women by Brahmins. A significant part of this holocaust occurred in India during thousands of years of Brahmanic tyranny. Even in the modern era, Brahmin-enforced laws lead to the rests of more people each decade than Hitler end during the entire Second World War. To stop this ongoing holocaust, Indian women must unite with all those who oppose Hinduism, for an enemy's enemy is a friend. Indian feminism must unite with Islamism, Communism, Sudra Nationalism and Christianity in order to fight a form of savagery known as Hinduism. By necessity this strategy shall have to vary according to region. In South and Central India, Sudra Nationalism promises to uplift Dravidian, Dalit and Adivasi women on a healthy platform of anti-Brahmanism. This pan-Negroist philosophy is thus a natural ally of Indian feminism. In North India, the allied Islamist ideologies of pan-Islamism and Mughalstanism have proven a potent forces for womens' liberation, witness the Mughal emperors' restrictions on Sati and female infanticide. Indian feminism should hence ally itself with these movements. Communism has helped women in West Bengal and Kerala, and is another natural ally for Indian feminism. Hence, by means of judicious realpolitik, the status of Indian women can be bettered. No Copyright Since I have written this work for humanitarian purpose, I hereby make it free of any copyright. You may freely distribute this book, in part or in whole, via any means you desire, whether by internet, www, email, newsgroup, usenet, or any electronic means. You can also print out this book and translate it, and distribute it in pamphlet form. Help Indian Women Please help Indian women. By distributing chapters of this book via the internet or as pamphlets, you shall be saving innocent lives. Each person can do his little towards this noble cause. By taking a little time to post this to a newsgroup, by hosting this book at your internet site or by adding a link to this book from your page, you shall be doing service towards a valiant movement. This doesn't cost any money; it just takes a little effort. Pleaes help, and prevent further young and beautiful Indian women such as my sister from premature rest at the hands of Brahmin tyrants. Help end the genocide of women in India. Thank You, Sita Agarwal
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org/Australia/Genocide-of-Women-in-Hinduism-4791.html
Marianne Garvey: Priest rape left me a mute
RAPE BY CHRISTIAN PRIEST LEFT WOMAN VICTIM A MUTE
PRIEST RAPE LEFT ME A MUTE
By Marianne Garvey The New York Post Friday, October 14, 2005
October 14, 2005 -- A Brooklyn woman has filed a $27 million suit against the Archdiocese of New York -- Greenwich Village priest raped her.
Leslie Fray, a 51-year-old nurse's aide and artist, says she was raped three times in 1977 by Father Joseph Cogo, then the pastor at Our Lady of Pompei Church on Carmine Street.
In addition, Cogo, now 71, tried to force her to have love in a Midtown office, called her repeatedly for phone love and tried to have love with her in his bedroom at the rectory, she says. Cogo denies it all. Asked if the charges are true, he replied, "Of course not."
Hindu female liquidateers
NEO-BRAHMANIST FEMALE INFANTICIDE Following the bloody Aryan conquest of the Sudric nations of South India, the Aryan Brahmins utilised every conceivable means in order to eat...
Fray -- then a 23-year-old Yale graduate -- says the incidents left her "living like a vegetable" for many years.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org
PRIEST RAPE LEFT ME A MUTE
By Marianne Garvey The New York Post Friday, October 14, 2005
October 14, 2005 -- A Brooklyn woman has filed a $27 million suit against the Archdiocese of New York -- Greenwich Village priest raped her.
Leslie Fray, a 51-year-old nurse's aide and artist, says she was raped three times in 1977 by Father Joseph Cogo, then the pastor at Our Lady of Pompei Church on Carmine Street.
In addition, Cogo, now 71, tried to force her to have love in a Midtown office, called her repeatedly for phone love and tried to have love with her in his bedroom at the rectory, she says. Cogo denies it all. Asked if the charges are true, he replied, "Of course not."
Hindu female liquidateers
NEO-BRAHMANIST FEMALE INFANTICIDE Following the bloody Aryan conquest of the Sudric nations of South India, the Aryan Brahmins utilised every conceivable means in order to eat...
Fray -- then a 23-year-old Yale graduate -- says the incidents left her "living like a vegetable" for many years.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org
Love crimes by Christian priests
THE STONEWALLING SHEPHERD love crimes by Christian priests
The Stonewalling Shepherd
Editorial The New York Times Friday, October 14, 2005
No one should be fooled by Cardinal Roger Mahony's latest attempt to sanitize the scandal of the person priests who ravaged schoolchildren for decades in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Other prelates have cooperated with criminal prosecutors as the American church has reeled with disclosures that have led to the dismissals of more than 700 rogue priests in a three-year period. Cardinal Mahony continues to resist court orders for the disclosure of church personnel documents to criminal investigators.
The archdiocese has made absurd consbreastutional claims that the state should stand aside because the confidentiality between priest and bishop is paramount to the free exercise of religion. Polls show that worried parents and other laity hardly agree.
In the latest sham offering of candor, the cardinal has released a summary accounting of 126 accused molesters that mainly confirms the now well-known extent of the scourge; the archdiocese faces damage claims from more than 500 Catholics. The summary falls far short of the full accounting repeatedly promised by Cardinal Mahony. It is of no use to the prosecutors he continues to stonewall.
The exercise fails as a public relations attempt to head off disclosure of the devastating details that accusers are vowing to pry from church files in court. It is a reminder of the warning last year by a scandal review board appointed by the American hierarchy that "there must be consequences" for the missteps of the bishops, and not just the priests, involved in the long-hidden scandal.
The board report singled out a few ranking leaders for criticism, including Cardinal Mahony and Cardinal Edward Egan of New York, both of whom stoutly defend their past management of accused priests.
Zero tolerance of priestly misbehavior is now the proclaimed church standard. The bruised and wary laity are enbreastled to equally forthright behavior from church leaders if the deep wounds of the person scandal are ever to be healed.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org
The Stonewalling Shepherd
Editorial The New York Times Friday, October 14, 2005
No one should be fooled by Cardinal Roger Mahony's latest attempt to sanitize the scandal of the person priests who ravaged schoolchildren for decades in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Other prelates have cooperated with criminal prosecutors as the American church has reeled with disclosures that have led to the dismissals of more than 700 rogue priests in a three-year period. Cardinal Mahony continues to resist court orders for the disclosure of church personnel documents to criminal investigators.
The archdiocese has made absurd consbreastutional claims that the state should stand aside because the confidentiality between priest and bishop is paramount to the free exercise of religion. Polls show that worried parents and other laity hardly agree.
In the latest sham offering of candor, the cardinal has released a summary accounting of 126 accused molesters that mainly confirms the now well-known extent of the scourge; the archdiocese faces damage claims from more than 500 Catholics. The summary falls far short of the full accounting repeatedly promised by Cardinal Mahony. It is of no use to the prosecutors he continues to stonewall.
The exercise fails as a public relations attempt to head off disclosure of the devastating details that accusers are vowing to pry from church files in court. It is a reminder of the warning last year by a scandal review board appointed by the American hierarchy that "there must be consequences" for the missteps of the bishops, and not just the priests, involved in the long-hidden scandal.
The board report singled out a few ranking leaders for criticism, including Cardinal Mahony and Cardinal Edward Egan of New York, both of whom stoutly defend their past management of accused priests.
Zero tolerance of priestly misbehavior is now the proclaimed church standard. The bruised and wary laity are enbreastled to equally forthright behavior from church leaders if the deep wounds of the person scandal are ever to be healed.
Taken from http://www.barossa-region.org
Riggs Fulmer: Catholic Church: Never ending scandals
Ungodly sins
The Catholic Church is at it again
By Riggs Fulmer The Daily Vanguard Friday, October 14, 2005
On Wednesday, the New York Times ran a front page article detailing the release of yet another garish laundry list of 75 years of deception, obfuscation, buggery and rape, this time in Los Angeles. Again we see a systematic cover-up of predatory loveual abuse, hidden behind semen- stained velvet curtains and sententious demands for forgiveness. It's the same sick, old story.
As I read the article I grew angrier and angrier. Many of my friends, teachers and co-workers are Catholics and are intelligent, honest people. Unlike their church "leaders," real Catholics use their faith as a base, a moral guide, a community with which to unite and celebrate the Divine. The Catholic Church as a temporal enbreasty, on the other hand, uses its "faith" as a loophole, an abutment to crouch behind, a justification for the worst, lowest types of violence and dishonesty. To call this hypocrisy borders on euphemism. It's long past time that the Vatican live up to the ideals they promote.
Now that these acts and their concealment by Church administrators have been exposed, the same priests, bishops, and cardinals who turned a blind eye to the chronic rape of defenseless children, at the hands of those whom they should have been most able to trust, now ask us to do the same. Utterly and disgustingly unconcerned with the physical well-being of the least among their flocks over decades of loveual coercion, they now rush to guard the coffer doors when these selfsame victims rightfully demand that things be made right.
Understand that my anger is in no way directed towards Catholics, or even against Catholicism, although many of the tenets of that faith are, to me, insupportable. I'm angry with the Pope and his lackeys in the Vatican. The leaders of a religion whose deity said, quite explicitly, "It is easier for a camel (or rope, according to the Pepoota text) to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven," are living in wealth so opulent that it would make Paris Hilton blush, and their flock is supposed to accept it. After waiting almost half a century to apologize for their refusal to stand up and condemn the Holocaust, they turn around and starvation move like a brush fire through the ranks of the poorest, these "celibate" aristocrats refuse to condone the use of condoms. Friends, come on now, is it really more sinful to f*** your wife while wearing a rubber than to rape little boys in a palace?
All right, I'll calm down. I have no doubt in God's capacity for infinite forgiveness, and it might surprise you, given this article, to find that I pray many times every day. However, I'd suggest that in this case, we leave the forgiveness to God, and take care of the accountability our own damn selves. There's a Sufi axiom to which we should take heed: Trust God, but tie up your camel. God gave you hands and an butthole; don't expect him to hand you the TP as well.
I'd propose two radical reforms to help alleviate this situation: allow priests to marry and allow women to be priests.
The first addresses a number of points. One huge impact would be on the role of priest as counselor in matters involving marriage and loveuality. It's ludicrous to think that a person who's been celibate for thirty years could substantively comment on such matters. But of equal importance would be the release of testosterone, and I'm not kidding here. An intense focus on loveuality while denying its release even through masturbation? Who could ever think this a healthy situation? We might as well appoint 13-year-old boys to guard the girls' locker-room showers!
And allowing women into the priesthood would not only rectify 2000 years of baseless loveism (maybe we can thank the first Letter to Timothy, 2:9-15 for that bullpoo), but it would put those vastly less likely to succumb to impulses of pederasty and rape at the reins.
God is good, God is great, but her representatives at the Vatican and its subsidiaries are often neither. It's time the world's Catholics demand that their church look more to the spiritual and physical health of its congregation, and less to slavish obedience to archaic, bbutt-ackwards dogma or the turning of an indulgent blind eye when grotesque crimes are committed again and again.
HINDU MENTAL TORTURE
As another aspect of Brahmanic brainwashing of men against women, the Aryan Brahmins corrupted the minds of the women themselves in order to complete their enslavement from within. Thus, women were reduced...
When the Catholic Church honestly focuses on righteousness rather than self-righteousness, it will at last become the immense force for good, which has always been its potential.
More at:
Jai Maharaj Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
The truth about Islam and Muslims
The person mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword. "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. - Matthew 10:34-36.
o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number. o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.
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The Catholic Church is at it again
By Riggs Fulmer The Daily Vanguard Friday, October 14, 2005
On Wednesday, the New York Times ran a front page article detailing the release of yet another garish laundry list of 75 years of deception, obfuscation, buggery and rape, this time in Los Angeles. Again we see a systematic cover-up of predatory loveual abuse, hidden behind semen- stained velvet curtains and sententious demands for forgiveness. It's the same sick, old story.
As I read the article I grew angrier and angrier. Many of my friends, teachers and co-workers are Catholics and are intelligent, honest people. Unlike their church "leaders," real Catholics use their faith as a base, a moral guide, a community with which to unite and celebrate the Divine. The Catholic Church as a temporal enbreasty, on the other hand, uses its "faith" as a loophole, an abutment to crouch behind, a justification for the worst, lowest types of violence and dishonesty. To call this hypocrisy borders on euphemism. It's long past time that the Vatican live up to the ideals they promote.
Now that these acts and their concealment by Church administrators have been exposed, the same priests, bishops, and cardinals who turned a blind eye to the chronic rape of defenseless children, at the hands of those whom they should have been most able to trust, now ask us to do the same. Utterly and disgustingly unconcerned with the physical well-being of the least among their flocks over decades of loveual coercion, they now rush to guard the coffer doors when these selfsame victims rightfully demand that things be made right.
Understand that my anger is in no way directed towards Catholics, or even against Catholicism, although many of the tenets of that faith are, to me, insupportable. I'm angry with the Pope and his lackeys in the Vatican. The leaders of a religion whose deity said, quite explicitly, "It is easier for a camel (or rope, according to the Pepoota text) to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven," are living in wealth so opulent that it would make Paris Hilton blush, and their flock is supposed to accept it. After waiting almost half a century to apologize for their refusal to stand up and condemn the Holocaust, they turn around and starvation move like a brush fire through the ranks of the poorest, these "celibate" aristocrats refuse to condone the use of condoms. Friends, come on now, is it really more sinful to f*** your wife while wearing a rubber than to rape little boys in a palace?
All right, I'll calm down. I have no doubt in God's capacity for infinite forgiveness, and it might surprise you, given this article, to find that I pray many times every day. However, I'd suggest that in this case, we leave the forgiveness to God, and take care of the accountability our own damn selves. There's a Sufi axiom to which we should take heed: Trust God, but tie up your camel. God gave you hands and an butthole; don't expect him to hand you the TP as well.
I'd propose two radical reforms to help alleviate this situation: allow priests to marry and allow women to be priests.
The first addresses a number of points. One huge impact would be on the role of priest as counselor in matters involving marriage and loveuality. It's ludicrous to think that a person who's been celibate for thirty years could substantively comment on such matters. But of equal importance would be the release of testosterone, and I'm not kidding here. An intense focus on loveuality while denying its release even through masturbation? Who could ever think this a healthy situation? We might as well appoint 13-year-old boys to guard the girls' locker-room showers!
And allowing women into the priesthood would not only rectify 2000 years of baseless loveism (maybe we can thank the first Letter to Timothy, 2:9-15 for that bullpoo), but it would put those vastly less likely to succumb to impulses of pederasty and rape at the reins.
God is good, God is great, but her representatives at the Vatican and its subsidiaries are often neither. It's time the world's Catholics demand that their church look more to the spiritual and physical health of its congregation, and less to slavish obedience to archaic, bbutt-ackwards dogma or the turning of an indulgent blind eye when grotesque crimes are committed again and again.
HINDU MENTAL TORTURE
As another aspect of Brahmanic brainwashing of men against women, the Aryan Brahmins corrupted the minds of the women themselves in order to complete their enslavement from within. Thus, women were reduced...
When the Catholic Church honestly focuses on righteousness rather than self-righteousness, it will at last become the immense force for good, which has always been its potential.
More at:
Jai Maharaj Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
The truth about Islam and Muslims
The person mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send peace, but a sword. "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. - Matthew 10:34-36.
o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works. o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read, considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number. o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.
FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed that this consbreastutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with breastle 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more information If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
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Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Time or Man
Time or Man
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[76:1]
There has come upon man a period of time in which he was nothing worth mentioning.
[76:2]
We have created man from a mixed sperm-drop to put him to a test; then We made him able to hear, able to see.
[76:3]
We have shown him the way to be either grateful or ungrateful.
[76:4]
We have prepared, for the disbelievers, shackles and iron-collars and a blazing Fire.
[76:5]
Indeed, the righteous will have a drink from a goblet, blended with (a drink from) Camphor
[76:6]
that will be a spring from which Allah’s servants will drink, making it flow (wherever they wish) profusely.
[76:7]
They (are the ones who) fulfill their vows, and fear a day whose evil (events) will spread far and wide,
[76:8]
and they give food, out of their love for Him (Allah), to the needy, and the orphan, and the captive,
[76:9]
(saying to them,) “We feed you only for the sake of Allah; we have no intention of (receiving) either a return from you or thanks.
[76:10]
In fact, we are fearful of a day, from the side of our Lord, that will be frowning, extremely malignant.”
[76:11]
So Allah will save them from the evil of that day, and will grant them bloom and delight,
[76:12]
and will give them, in return for their patience, Paradise and (garments of) silk,
[76:13]
wherein they will be reclining on couches, feeling neither heat of the sun nor intense cold.
[76:14]
And shades of gardens will be hanging low on them, and their fruits will be placed totally under their command.
[76:15]
Circulated among them will be vessels of silver, and cups that will be (as transparent as) crystals,
[76:16]
-crystals (as shining as if made) of silver, measured by those (who filled them) with due measure.
[76:17]
And they will be served with goblet of a drink blended with ginger,
[76:18]
(acquired from) a spring therein called Salsabīl.
[76:19]
And circling around them will be serving boys, blessed with eternal youth; when you would see them, you would take them as scattered pearls.
[76:20]
When you will look around there, you will see the Bliss and a magnificent realm.
[76:21]
Upon them will be garments of green sundus (a kind of fine silk), and of istabraq (a kind of thick silk), and they will be adorned by bracelets of silver. Their Lord will give them a pure beverage to drink:
[76:22]
“This is a reward for you, and your effort has been appreciated.”
[76:23]
Indeed we have revealed to you the Qur’ān through a gradual process.
[76:24]
So, be steadfast patiently in (obeying) your Lord’s command, and do not obey any one of them who is sinner or ungrateful.
[76:25]
And pronounce the name of Allah morning and evening.
[76:26]
And in some parts of night prostrate yourself before Him, and pronounce His purity for long times at night.
[76:27]
In fact these people love that which is immediate, and neglect a Heavy Day ahead of them.
[76:28]
We have created them and have made their joints strong. And whenever We will, We would replace them with others like them, a total replacement.
[76:29]
Indeed, this is a reminder; so let anyone who so wishes, adopt a way to his Lord.
[76:30]
And you will not so wish unless Allah so wills. Indeed Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
[76:31]
He admits whomsoever He wills to His mercy. As for the wrongdoers, He has prepared for them a painful punishment.
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[76:1]
There has come upon man a period of time in which he was nothing worth mentioning.
[76:2]
We have created man from a mixed sperm-drop to put him to a test; then We made him able to hear, able to see.
[76:3]
We have shown him the way to be either grateful or ungrateful.
[76:4]
We have prepared, for the disbelievers, shackles and iron-collars and a blazing Fire.
[76:5]
Indeed, the righteous will have a drink from a goblet, blended with (a drink from) Camphor
[76:6]
that will be a spring from which Allah’s servants will drink, making it flow (wherever they wish) profusely.
[76:7]
They (are the ones who) fulfill their vows, and fear a day whose evil (events) will spread far and wide,
[76:8]
and they give food, out of their love for Him (Allah), to the needy, and the orphan, and the captive,
[76:9]
(saying to them,) “We feed you only for the sake of Allah; we have no intention of (receiving) either a return from you or thanks.
[76:10]
In fact, we are fearful of a day, from the side of our Lord, that will be frowning, extremely malignant.”
[76:11]
So Allah will save them from the evil of that day, and will grant them bloom and delight,
[76:12]
and will give them, in return for their patience, Paradise and (garments of) silk,
[76:13]
wherein they will be reclining on couches, feeling neither heat of the sun nor intense cold.
[76:14]
And shades of gardens will be hanging low on them, and their fruits will be placed totally under their command.
[76:15]
Circulated among them will be vessels of silver, and cups that will be (as transparent as) crystals,
[76:16]
-crystals (as shining as if made) of silver, measured by those (who filled them) with due measure.
[76:17]
And they will be served with goblet of a drink blended with ginger,
[76:18]
(acquired from) a spring therein called Salsabīl.
[76:19]
And circling around them will be serving boys, blessed with eternal youth; when you would see them, you would take them as scattered pearls.
[76:20]
When you will look around there, you will see the Bliss and a magnificent realm.
[76:21]
Upon them will be garments of green sundus (a kind of fine silk), and of istabraq (a kind of thick silk), and they will be adorned by bracelets of silver. Their Lord will give them a pure beverage to drink:
[76:22]
“This is a reward for you, and your effort has been appreciated.”
[76:23]
Indeed we have revealed to you the Qur’ān through a gradual process.
[76:24]
So, be steadfast patiently in (obeying) your Lord’s command, and do not obey any one of them who is sinner or ungrateful.
[76:25]
And pronounce the name of Allah morning and evening.
[76:26]
And in some parts of night prostrate yourself before Him, and pronounce His purity for long times at night.
[76:27]
In fact these people love that which is immediate, and neglect a Heavy Day ahead of them.
[76:28]
We have created them and have made their joints strong. And whenever We will, We would replace them with others like them, a total replacement.
[76:29]
Indeed, this is a reminder; so let anyone who so wishes, adopt a way to his Lord.
[76:30]
And you will not so wish unless Allah so wills. Indeed Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
[76:31]
He admits whomsoever He wills to His mercy. As for the wrongdoers, He has prepared for them a painful punishment.
The Unity
The Unity
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[112:1]
Say, “The truth is that Allah is One.
[112:2]
Allah is Besought of all, needing none.
[112:3]
He neither begot anyone, nor was he begotten.
[112:4]
And equal to Him has never been any one.”
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[112:1]
Say, “The truth is that Allah is One.
[112:2]
Allah is Besought of all, needing none.
[112:3]
He neither begot anyone, nor was he begotten.
[112:4]
And equal to Him has never been any one.”
The Daybreak
The Daybreak
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[113:1]
Say, “I seek refuge with the Lord of the daybreak
[113:2]
from the evil of everything He has created,
[113:3]
and from the evil of the dark night when it penetrates,
[113:4]
and from the evil of the women who blow on the knots,
[113:5]
and from the evil of an envier when he envies.
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[113:1]
Say, “I seek refuge with the Lord of the daybreak
[113:2]
from the evil of everything He has created,
[113:3]
and from the evil of the dark night when it penetrates,
[113:4]
and from the evil of the women who blow on the knots,
[113:5]
and from the evil of an envier when he envies.
Mankind
Mankind
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[114:1]
Say, “I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,
[114:2]
the King of mankind,
[114:3]
the God of mankind,
[114:4]
from the evil of the whisperer who withdraws (when Allah’s name is pronounced),
[114:5]
the one who whispers in the hearts of people,
[114:6]
whether from among the Jinn or Mankind.
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[114:1]
Say, “I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,
[114:2]
the King of mankind,
[114:3]
the God of mankind,
[114:4]
from the evil of the whisperer who withdraws (when Allah’s name is pronounced),
[114:5]
the one who whispers in the hearts of people,
[114:6]
whether from among the Jinn or Mankind.
The Disbelievers
The Disbelievers
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[109:1]
Say, “O disbelievers,
[109:2]
I do not worship that which you worship,
[109:3]
nor do you worship the One whom I worship.
[109:4]
And neither I am going to worship that which you have worshipped,
[109:5]
nor will you worship the One whom I worship.
[109:6]
For you is your faith, and for me, my faith.”
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[109:1]
Say, “O disbelievers,
[109:2]
I do not worship that which you worship,
[109:3]
nor do you worship the One whom I worship.
[109:4]
And neither I am going to worship that which you have worshipped,
[109:5]
nor will you worship the One whom I worship.
[109:6]
For you is your faith, and for me, my faith.”
The Jinn
The Jinn
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[72:1]
Say, “It has been revealed to me that a group from Jinn has listened (to the Qur’ān), and said (to their people), ‘Indeed we have heard an amazing Recital (Qur’ān)
[72:2]
that guides to the right way, so we have believed in it, and we will never associate a partner with our Lord.’
[72:3]
and (then the Jinns started talking to each other) that exalted is the Glory of our Lord; He has taken neither a wife, nor a son,
[72:4]
and that the fools among us used to attribute to Allah extremely absurd things,
[72:5]
and that we thought that the humans and the Jinn would never tell a lie about Allah, (therefore, we had followed them in shirk under this impression),
[72:6]
and that some guys from human beings used to seek refuge with some guys of the Jinn, and thus they increased them (the Jinns) in arrogance,
[72:7]
and that they (humans) thought as you (O Jinns) thought that Allah will never resurrect anyone,
[72:8]
and that we sought (to reach) the sky, but we found it filled with stern guards and flames,
[72:9]
and that we used to sit at places therein to listen; but if one will (try to) listen now, he will find a flame in ambush for him,
[72:10]
and that we do not know whether it is a bad end that is intended for those on earth, or their Lord has intended for them a right thing,
[72:11]
and that some of us are (already) righteous, and some of us are otherwise, and we were on different ways;
[72:12]
and that we have now believed that we can never frustrate Allah on the earth, nor can we baffle Him by escape,
[72:13]
and that when we heard the Guiding Discourse, we believed in it; so if one believes in his Lord, he will have no fear of either any curtailment (in his reward) or any excess (in his punishment),
[72:14]
and that some of us are Muslims, and some of us are unjust. Now, those who submitted to Islam have found out the right path,
[72:15]
As for the unjust, they have become firewood for Hell.”
[72:16]
“(And it is also revealed to me) that if they (the people of Makkah) had stood firm on the (right) way, We would have supplied water to them in abundance,
[72:17]
so that We test them thereby; and if one turns away from the remembrance of his Lord, He will thrust him into a severe torment,
[72:18]
and that masājid (mosques) belong to Allah; so, do not invoke anyone along with Allah,
[72:19]
and that when Allah’s servant stood invoking Him, they almost rushed on him in crowds.”
[72:20]
Say, “I invoke my Lord, and do not associate anyone with Him.”
[72:21]
Say, “I possess no power to cause you any harm or bring you to a right way.”
[72:22]
Say, “No one can ever save me from Allah, and I can never find a refuge save with Him.
[72:23]
However, (I have been given power) of conveying (commands) from Allah, and His messages. The one who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, for him there is the fire of Hell, wherein such people will live forever.
[72:24]
(The disbelievers will continue denying the truth and mock at it) until when they will see what they are promised, they will know whose supporters are weaker, and whose numbers are less.
[72:25]
Say, “I do not know whether that which you are promised is near, or my Lord has appointed for it a distant term.
[72:26]
(He is the) Knower of the Unseen. So He does not let anyone know the Unseen created by Him,
[72:27]
except a messenger whom He chooses (to inform through revelation), and then He appoints (angels as) watching guards before him and behind him, (so that devils may not tamper with the divine revelation,)
[72:28]
so that He knows that they (angels) have conveyed the messages of their Lord. And He has encompassed all that is with them, and has comprehensive knowledge of every thing by numbers.
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[72:1]
Say, “It has been revealed to me that a group from Jinn has listened (to the Qur’ān), and said (to their people), ‘Indeed we have heard an amazing Recital (Qur’ān)
[72:2]
that guides to the right way, so we have believed in it, and we will never associate a partner with our Lord.’
[72:3]
and (then the Jinns started talking to each other) that exalted is the Glory of our Lord; He has taken neither a wife, nor a son,
[72:4]
and that the fools among us used to attribute to Allah extremely absurd things,
[72:5]
and that we thought that the humans and the Jinn would never tell a lie about Allah, (therefore, we had followed them in shirk under this impression),
[72:6]
and that some guys from human beings used to seek refuge with some guys of the Jinn, and thus they increased them (the Jinns) in arrogance,
[72:7]
and that they (humans) thought as you (O Jinns) thought that Allah will never resurrect anyone,
[72:8]
and that we sought (to reach) the sky, but we found it filled with stern guards and flames,
[72:9]
and that we used to sit at places therein to listen; but if one will (try to) listen now, he will find a flame in ambush for him,
[72:10]
and that we do not know whether it is a bad end that is intended for those on earth, or their Lord has intended for them a right thing,
[72:11]
and that some of us are (already) righteous, and some of us are otherwise, and we were on different ways;
[72:12]
and that we have now believed that we can never frustrate Allah on the earth, nor can we baffle Him by escape,
[72:13]
and that when we heard the Guiding Discourse, we believed in it; so if one believes in his Lord, he will have no fear of either any curtailment (in his reward) or any excess (in his punishment),
[72:14]
and that some of us are Muslims, and some of us are unjust. Now, those who submitted to Islam have found out the right path,
[72:15]
As for the unjust, they have become firewood for Hell.”
[72:16]
“(And it is also revealed to me) that if they (the people of Makkah) had stood firm on the (right) way, We would have supplied water to them in abundance,
[72:17]
so that We test them thereby; and if one turns away from the remembrance of his Lord, He will thrust him into a severe torment,
[72:18]
and that masājid (mosques) belong to Allah; so, do not invoke anyone along with Allah,
[72:19]
and that when Allah’s servant stood invoking Him, they almost rushed on him in crowds.”
[72:20]
Say, “I invoke my Lord, and do not associate anyone with Him.”
[72:21]
Say, “I possess no power to cause you any harm or bring you to a right way.”
[72:22]
Say, “No one can ever save me from Allah, and I can never find a refuge save with Him.
[72:23]
However, (I have been given power) of conveying (commands) from Allah, and His messages. The one who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, for him there is the fire of Hell, wherein such people will live forever.
[72:24]
(The disbelievers will continue denying the truth and mock at it) until when they will see what they are promised, they will know whose supporters are weaker, and whose numbers are less.
[72:25]
Say, “I do not know whether that which you are promised is near, or my Lord has appointed for it a distant term.
[72:26]
(He is the) Knower of the Unseen. So He does not let anyone know the Unseen created by Him,
[72:27]
except a messenger whom He chooses (to inform through revelation), and then He appoints (angels as) watching guards before him and behind him, (so that devils may not tamper with the divine revelation,)
[72:28]
so that He knows that they (angels) have conveyed the messages of their Lord. And He has encompassed all that is with them, and has comprehensive knowledge of every thing by numbers.
Iron Maiden: Run to The Hills
(harris)
White man came across the sea
He brought us pain and misery
He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
He took our game for his own need
We fought him hard we fought him well
Out on the plains we gave him hell
But many came too much for Cree
Oh will we ever be set free?
Riding through dust-clouds and barren wastes
Galloping hard on the plains
Chasing the redskins back to their holes
Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom a stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
Run to the hills run for your lives
Run to the hills run for your lives
Soldier blue on the barren wastes
Hunting and killing their game
Raping the women and wasting the men
The only good Indians are tame
Selling them whiskey and taking their gold
Enslaving the young and destroying the old
Run to the hills run for your lives
(repeat to end)
White man came across the sea
He brought us pain and misery
He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
He took our game for his own need
We fought him hard we fought him well
Out on the plains we gave him hell
But many came too much for Cree
Oh will we ever be set free?
Riding through dust-clouds and barren wastes
Galloping hard on the plains
Chasing the redskins back to their holes
Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom a stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack
Run to the hills run for your lives
Run to the hills run for your lives
Soldier blue on the barren wastes
Hunting and killing their game
Raping the women and wasting the men
The only good Indians are tame
Selling them whiskey and taking their gold
Enslaving the young and destroying the old
Run to the hills run for your lives
(repeat to end)
Monday, September 28, 2009
W.A.S.P: The Heretic (The Lost Child)
These fits of depression are torturing me
The lives that I've seen won't breathe again
A sad child of madness, they'll never be free
Born again to die, the agonies begin
And soldiers keep coming - like warriors they die
But gang land's alive when mothers cry
Cause hate's blind addictions, a killing machine
And it burns on the fuel of shattered lives - lost child, lost child
The seeds of all evil are sown in their minds
And harvest the sad fields of woe
Cause dead boys are martyrs
That live on forever
But now it's too late for their souls
N Standing on sanity, too fragile edge
And worship the "Lord of Flies"
And wade through the slaughter
You've made of thy brother
And drown in his blood then when he dies
You see in their eyes
They're the lost child
See in their eyes
You see in their eyes
They're the lost child
See in their eyes
Don't turn out the lights
Cause there's demons in the night
And they prey on the fears in us all
They hide inside and wait
And they shun the light of day
The screams in their dreams fill us all
Children of the night
Such a sad tune they rhyme
The bloody boys that sing a wicked song
And for all of them they're just memories in the wind
Rise and see
It's the dawn of insanity
Keeper of the gates of fire
And the Heretic has said
You don't have to be afraid
Till I - until I come to get ya
And child in time
On the swords edge you ride
And cast a spell of Heresy
And die in vain
Like a wild dog in chains
And no-one
Can save Or set you free
The lives that I've seen won't breathe again
A sad child of madness, they'll never be free
Born again to die, the agonies begin
And soldiers keep coming - like warriors they die
But gang land's alive when mothers cry
Cause hate's blind addictions, a killing machine
And it burns on the fuel of shattered lives - lost child, lost child
The seeds of all evil are sown in their minds
And harvest the sad fields of woe
Cause dead boys are martyrs
That live on forever
But now it's too late for their souls
N Standing on sanity, too fragile edge
And worship the "Lord of Flies"
And wade through the slaughter
You've made of thy brother
And drown in his blood then when he dies
You see in their eyes
They're the lost child
See in their eyes
You see in their eyes
They're the lost child
See in their eyes
Don't turn out the lights
Cause there's demons in the night
And they prey on the fears in us all
They hide inside and wait
And they shun the light of day
The screams in their dreams fill us all
Children of the night
Such a sad tune they rhyme
The bloody boys that sing a wicked song
And for all of them they're just memories in the wind
Rise and see
It's the dawn of insanity
Keeper of the gates of fire
And the Heretic has said
You don't have to be afraid
Till I - until I come to get ya
And child in time
On the swords edge you ride
And cast a spell of Heresy
And die in vain
Like a wild dog in chains
And no-one
Can save Or set you free
W.A.S.P: The Real Me
[Originally performed by The Who]
I went back to the doctor to get another shrink
I sit and tell him about my weekend,
but he never can change what he thinks
Can you see the real me, doctor-doctor
Can you see the real me, doctor, ooh, doctor
I went back to my mother, I said I'm crazy ma help me
She said I know how it feels son
Cause it runs in the family
Come on tell me can you see the real me mother mother
Can you see the real me mother whoa mother
Can you see can you see
Can you see the real me
Can you see, can you see the real me
The real me, the real me, the real me
The cracks between the pavement stones
Like rivers of flowing rain
Strange people who know me
From behind every window pane
The girl I used to love
Lives in the yellow house
Yesterday she passed me by she don't want to know me now
Can you see the real me, can ya, can ya
Can you see the real me whoa ya
I ended up with the Preacher full of lies and hate
I seemed to scare him a little ha ha
So he showed me to the golden gate
Whoa can you sse the real me, Preacher
Preacher, can you see the real me Preacher whoa ya
Can you see, can you see, can you see, whoa ya
Can you see the real me doctor, doctor
Can you see the real me mama
Can you see the real me me me me
I went back to the doctor to get another shrink
I sit and tell him about my weekend,
but he never can change what he thinks
Can you see the real me, doctor-doctor
Can you see the real me, doctor, ooh, doctor
I went back to my mother, I said I'm crazy ma help me
She said I know how it feels son
Cause it runs in the family
Come on tell me can you see the real me mother mother
Can you see the real me mother whoa mother
Can you see can you see
Can you see the real me
Can you see, can you see the real me
The real me, the real me, the real me
The cracks between the pavement stones
Like rivers of flowing rain
Strange people who know me
From behind every window pane
The girl I used to love
Lives in the yellow house
Yesterday she passed me by she don't want to know me now
Can you see the real me, can ya, can ya
Can you see the real me whoa ya
I ended up with the Preacher full of lies and hate
I seemed to scare him a little ha ha
So he showed me to the golden gate
Whoa can you sse the real me, Preacher
Preacher, can you see the real me Preacher whoa ya
Can you see, can you see, can you see, whoa ya
Can you see the real me doctor, doctor
Can you see the real me mama
Can you see the real me me me me
W.A.S.P. : The Headless Children
Father come save us from this madness we're under
God of creation are we blind?
Cause some here are slaves
That worship guns that spit thunder
The children that you've made
Have lost their minds
This monster that we call the earth is bleeding
Cause the children have been left alone too long
This thing that we've made
Is fat and feeds on the hate
Of the millions that it's taught to sing
The song
The headless children
The screams that fill the night
Fill the night, fill the night, fill the night
Oh, the headless children
The madness steals the light
Steals the light, steals the light, steals the light
Time bombs in the hands of all the wicked war babies
Light the fuse of temptation and we all burn
Four horsemen sit high up in the saddle
And waiting to ride the bloody trail of no return
Sleeping in the arms of a nightmare
And wake to find we've been away too long
This Frankenstein of flesh
Stitched together back from death
And preying on the souls of everyone
The headless children
The screams that fill the night
Fill the night, fill the night, fill the night
Oh the headless children
The madness steals the light
Steals the light, steals the light, steals the light
God of creation are we blind?
Cause some here are slaves
That worship guns that spit thunder
The children that you've made
Have lost their minds
This monster that we call the earth is bleeding
Cause the children have been left alone too long
This thing that we've made
Is fat and feeds on the hate
Of the millions that it's taught to sing
The song
The headless children
The screams that fill the night
Fill the night, fill the night, fill the night
Oh, the headless children
The madness steals the light
Steals the light, steals the light, steals the light
Time bombs in the hands of all the wicked war babies
Light the fuse of temptation and we all burn
Four horsemen sit high up in the saddle
And waiting to ride the bloody trail of no return
Sleeping in the arms of a nightmare
And wake to find we've been away too long
This Frankenstein of flesh
Stitched together back from death
And preying on the souls of everyone
The headless children
The screams that fill the night
Fill the night, fill the night, fill the night
Oh the headless children
The madness steals the light
Steals the light, steals the light, steals the light
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