len said...Islam is repackaged polytheism.
Mohammed chose one god from the many gods.Allah is the moon god of the Kabah.
Mohammed chose one god from the many gods.Allah is the moon god of the Kabah.
srizals said...Dear len, it's becoming quite tiring for me to keep on answering about the moon god based on claim by non-Muslims. Please quote from the Koran or the hadith or any fatwas from Muslims of any time and creed. You may even quote the deviated ones. Which one dare to refer or claim that Allah is the moon god? If you can't, then please desist. You'll be labelled as a liar if you can't prove your allegation, Len.
We, Muslims do not worship earthly beings, living or non living things,seen or unseen by the naked eyes. We worship the Creator of all things. All in this world will perish. He would not and cannot.
The Beneficent
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[55:26]
Every one who is on it (the earth) has to perish.
[55:27]
And your Lord’s Countenance will remain, full of majesty, full of honour.
[55:28]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:29]
All those in the heavens and the earth beseech Him (for their needs.) Every day He is in a state of action.
[55:30]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:31]
Soon We are going to spare Ourselves for you (to reckon your deeds), O two heavy species (of Jinn and mankind)!
[55:32]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:33]
O genera of Jinn and mankind, If you are able to penetrate beyond the realms of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate. You cannot penetrate without power.
[55:34]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
We, Muslims do not worship earthly beings, living or non living things,seen or unseen by the naked eyes. We worship the Creator of all things. All in this world will perish. He would not and cannot.
The Beneficent
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[55:26]
Every one who is on it (the earth) has to perish.
[55:27]
And your Lord’s Countenance will remain, full of majesty, full of honour.
[55:28]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:29]
All those in the heavens and the earth beseech Him (for their needs.) Every day He is in a state of action.
[55:30]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:31]
Soon We are going to spare Ourselves for you (to reckon your deeds), O two heavy species (of Jinn and mankind)!
[55:32]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:33]
O genera of Jinn and mankind, If you are able to penetrate beyond the realms of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate. You cannot penetrate without power.
[55:34]
So, which of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
len said...The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed.
len said...Srizels
I think you should look at the thing on the top of your Mosque when you next go.Notice the shape?Remind you of anything?
I think you should look at the thing on the top of your Mosque when you next go.Notice the shape?Remind you of anything?
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English Viking said...Srizals,
Why do you have 'The Red Crescent' emergency service, instead of 'The Red Cross'?
Why do you have 'The Red Crescent' emergency service, instead of 'The Red Cross'?
Anonymous said...Thank you, your Grace. Our prayers are with the suffering Iranian church and it is a warning to us in the West of what the Gospels warn will befall those who follow Christ.
On the topic of the moon god and significance of the crescent, I for one, am tired of hearing the claim that Jews, Christians and Mohammedans worships the same God.
How can that be so? If Christians worship one God in Trinity, then those who reject the Triune Godhead, are in serious error for rejecting the full revelation. At best their belief in God is a sub-Christian caricature of the true God; at worst wilful rejection of divine revelation.
So for our Jewish and Mohammedan friends, we share monotheism but must acknowledge their rejection of the full mystery of the Godhead in the revelation of the Triune God.
So many Christians exhibit theological amnesia in order to arrive at some form of consensus or shared sense of belief with others. Those who reject (aka 'play down') the Trinity for the sake of pan-religious harmony are guilty of apostasy.
Your Grace was so wise to stipulate the frequest recitation of the Quicunque Vult or Creed of St Athanasius at
Mattins in the Book of Common Prayer. This lyrical hymn to the mystery of the Trinity and the Incarnation of the Word witnesses to the centrality of these life-giving doctrines.
On the topic of the moon god and significance of the crescent, I for one, am tired of hearing the claim that Jews, Christians and Mohammedans worships the same God.
How can that be so? If Christians worship one God in Trinity, then those who reject the Triune Godhead, are in serious error for rejecting the full revelation. At best their belief in God is a sub-Christian caricature of the true God; at worst wilful rejection of divine revelation.
So for our Jewish and Mohammedan friends, we share monotheism but must acknowledge their rejection of the full mystery of the Godhead in the revelation of the Triune God.
So many Christians exhibit theological amnesia in order to arrive at some form of consensus or shared sense of belief with others. Those who reject (aka 'play down') the Trinity for the sake of pan-religious harmony are guilty of apostasy.
Your Grace was so wise to stipulate the frequest recitation of the Quicunque Vult or Creed of St Athanasius at
Mattins in the Book of Common Prayer. This lyrical hymn to the mystery of the Trinity and the Incarnation of the Word witnesses to the centrality of these life-giving doctrines.
srizals said...Why do we have the Red Crescent?
Err, to try and save people with first aid, English Viking? Red Cross would be reminding us of the barbaric torture instrument invented by the barbaric heartless pagans! Who enjoyed watching humans die slowly in agony. Just like Vlad, the Impaler, who had practised much more sickening and revolting method than the pagans. And he was absolutely not a Muslim! And he is what now, Mr. Viking?
Len, no Muslims revered the crescent as the Christians did with the cross. It's just a symbol of identification for Muslim, started by the Ottoman. And since we have the lunar calendar, which has a lot to do with our prayers, tasks and livelihood, the crescent was favoured instead of the cross. For example if anyone spit or defile the crescent, no stupid terrorists would even try to burn their underwear in planes to copy cat their tormentors' terror! We do not call it the Holy Crescent as the Christians would call the cross.
Len, what sources do you have that said the pagans called one of their idols as Allah? Care to share?
English Viking, since you resent Islam and Arabs and anything that has to do with such 'filth', please refrain from consuming alcohol. You know who invented distillation right? And from what language does the alcohol get its name from, Mr. E. Viking? And how did chemistry find its way into the English dictionary? I hope chess isn't one of your favourite past time. Sorry for the late reply, my real world is speeding up.
Err, to try and save people with first aid, English Viking? Red Cross would be reminding us of the barbaric torture instrument invented by the barbaric heartless pagans! Who enjoyed watching humans die slowly in agony. Just like Vlad, the Impaler, who had practised much more sickening and revolting method than the pagans. And he was absolutely not a Muslim! And he is what now, Mr. Viking?
Len, no Muslims revered the crescent as the Christians did with the cross. It's just a symbol of identification for Muslim, started by the Ottoman. And since we have the lunar calendar, which has a lot to do with our prayers, tasks and livelihood, the crescent was favoured instead of the cross. For example if anyone spit or defile the crescent, no stupid terrorists would even try to burn their underwear in planes to copy cat their tormentors' terror! We do not call it the Holy Crescent as the Christians would call the cross.
Len, what sources do you have that said the pagans called one of their idols as Allah? Care to share?
English Viking, since you resent Islam and Arabs and anything that has to do with such 'filth', please refrain from consuming alcohol. You know who invented distillation right? And from what language does the alcohol get its name from, Mr. E. Viking? And how did chemistry find its way into the English dictionary? I hope chess isn't one of your favourite past time. Sorry for the late reply, my real world is speeding up.
Oswin said...Srizals -
I fear your adherence to Islam is due, at heart, to a convoluted (?) form of 'racism' - to deny Islam would somehow be to deny yourself.
Now, being A Brit' I have an understanding of that. We Brits are, from the moment of birth (if not before)something different. One hesitates to be more precise; politeness etc. Therefore, we are used to, and understand, the yearning nature of other peoples.
You just have to accept it old chum, you can't dress-up your religion in the hope of making yourself something 'other' - it just don't work that way, alas.
I mean, what were the Malay peoples before Islam crept along the Silk-Road? Why, for that matter, are the Malays subjugate to Article 160 of the Constitution of Malaysia, of 1957?
Simples: a racial, quasi-religious attempt NOT to be British, because they couldn't be, no matter how much they might wish to be, eh?
The French understand this too, only too well. It might be said that we Brits created the French, because all they have ever done, is to strive to be, well, to be French. They define themselves by how un-British they are.
It's ineffably sad, but quite understandable. Mind you, I'll say this for the Frogs, they never felt the need to invent their own God ... although, come to think of it, they did have Napoleon, which perhaps explains a lot! :o}
I fear your adherence to Islam is due, at heart, to a convoluted (?) form of 'racism' - to deny Islam would somehow be to deny yourself.
Now, being A Brit' I have an understanding of that. We Brits are, from the moment of birth (if not before)something different. One hesitates to be more precise; politeness etc. Therefore, we are used to, and understand, the yearning nature of other peoples.
You just have to accept it old chum, you can't dress-up your religion in the hope of making yourself something 'other' - it just don't work that way, alas.
I mean, what were the Malay peoples before Islam crept along the Silk-Road? Why, for that matter, are the Malays subjugate to Article 160 of the Constitution of Malaysia, of 1957?
Simples: a racial, quasi-religious attempt NOT to be British, because they couldn't be, no matter how much they might wish to be, eh?
The French understand this too, only too well. It might be said that we Brits created the French, because all they have ever done, is to strive to be, well, to be French. They define themselves by how un-British they are.
It's ineffably sad, but quite understandable. Mind you, I'll say this for the Frogs, they never felt the need to invent their own God ... although, come to think of it, they did have Napoleon, which perhaps explains a lot! :o}
English Viking said...Srizals,
I've told you once, I am perfectly sober. I am allowed the freedom to take a drink now and then though, my God is not so petty as to require abstinence. BTW, If alcohol is such a bad thing, forbidden to the moon-worshippers, how come those who 'behave' themselves in this life, get to drink from rivers of the stuff in the next life? Served by boys of 'perpetual youth'?
You have the Crescent on your ambulances, mosques, national flags and use the lunar calendar because your religion is based on the worship of the moon. You admit in your comment that the moon 'has a lot to do with our prayers, tasks and livelihood'.
The cross as an icon is not something my religion recognises; it was not the cross, but the work accomplished on it, by the Christ, which is important.
I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to Vlad the impaler. Perhaps you should lay off the sauce?
If you are attempting to claim that the muslims are the forefathers of Chemistry, you would be sadly mistaken. Because of their backwardness, they have contributed next to nothing to modern life. Apart from the Internet, of course, which was created in 1962 by a Saudi, using two pieces of string, a coke can and goat's testicle.
If Mo had a special revelation, which no-one else had heard of before, including the name of your so-called god, how come his father was called Abdullah?
In case you didn't know, that's Arabic for 'servant of allah'.
How can his father have been a servant of a god whose name was not revealed until his son was a full grown man?
I've told you once, I am perfectly sober. I am allowed the freedom to take a drink now and then though, my God is not so petty as to require abstinence. BTW, If alcohol is such a bad thing, forbidden to the moon-worshippers, how come those who 'behave' themselves in this life, get to drink from rivers of the stuff in the next life? Served by boys of 'perpetual youth'?
You have the Crescent on your ambulances, mosques, national flags and use the lunar calendar because your religion is based on the worship of the moon. You admit in your comment that the moon 'has a lot to do with our prayers, tasks and livelihood'.
The cross as an icon is not something my religion recognises; it was not the cross, but the work accomplished on it, by the Christ, which is important.
I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to Vlad the impaler. Perhaps you should lay off the sauce?
If you are attempting to claim that the muslims are the forefathers of Chemistry, you would be sadly mistaken. Because of their backwardness, they have contributed next to nothing to modern life. Apart from the Internet, of course, which was created in 1962 by a Saudi, using two pieces of string, a coke can and goat's testicle.
If Mo had a special revelation, which no-one else had heard of before, including the name of your so-called god, how come his father was called Abdullah?
In case you didn't know, that's Arabic for 'servant of allah'.
How can his father have been a servant of a god whose name was not revealed until his son was a full grown man?
