Ok, I got it,Mohammed was a very nice fellow, preached love and peace, he really didn`t preach hate and violence.Mohammed was misunderstood he came to bring peace to the World.Suicide bombers have probably misunderstood the words of the prophet and are doing their 'own thing'.Jihad is misunderstood, it is the struggle of the individual Muslim with the evil West. Muslims wish the Jews well and will do all they can to help them resettle in Israel.
Islam is the most wonderful thing that ever happened to humanity.
(Well you seem to like 'fairy tales' so I though I would give you one.)
Myself I prefer reality!
Len, again and again you state your case through the eyes of the beholder. Why can't you provide proof from his teaching, in hadith for example, that he actually preached hate and violence? That he oppressed the weak and the innocents?
Are you saying that you should love evil and those who try to kill you and the innocents? What if murder is their favourite past time?
You seem to hold a grudge against suicide bomber anyway. I don't understand it. How could you demand someone to do something that you can't even try and hate him for that?
What 'fairy tales' are you referring to Len? The Christian atrocities upon mankind? You should really at least, read the links Len. History cannot be altered. It is the ultimate witness to man's deeds or misdeeds. And I don't think you can find any books daring to tell about the dark side of history in your civilised world. People might get upset! Especially Non Mouse.
Yes, I see you point about self defense.
Probably best if you don't come round my house then.
Come on, die a warrior's death in the hands of mighty out-gunned warriors, instead of weaklings and babies. And be accompanied by non-virgin bride, defiled and torn by sadistic men! It was your culture. Or are you completely oblivious of your own Viking heritage?
Now do you know what filth is?
I do indeed know my culture; I know where I came from, and where I'm going.
I also know that child-rape is filthy. So is FGM, so is executing people for their religious beliefs (rather than their religious actions, should those actions include terrorism, pimping, beheading of hostages, stoning of 'infidels', etc, etc).
Blowing up 'planes is filthy. Hating Jews and Israel (PBOHer) is filthy, everything about Islam, is, in my opinion, filthy.
Including its apologists.
No answer to the 'Abdullah' question in the previous post then?
I leave this link for others, not for you, because I know you are not interested in the truth.
A catalogue of abomination is available to be viewed here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
No, I have not watched 'The Matrix'. I have better things to do with my time than spend it watching twaddle.
A man came to Tawus and said, “Advise me."
I advise you to love God so deeply that nothing is more beloved to you than Him; that you fear Him until there is nothing more feared by you than Him; that you long for His mercy so intensely that it prevents that fear from overwhelming you; and that you love for other people what you love for yourself. Now stand up and leave for I have summarized for you the knowledge of the Torah, the Gospels, the Psalms and the Qur’an.”
Quoted in Zaid Shakir, Treatise for The Seekers of Guidance. P. 223
If you think that I have deep hatred towards the Jews. You are so dead wrong!
My resting hour is up. Got to go and make a living. Till then. Insya Allah.
"Is that it?"
A site which catalogues and sources over 16,000 terror attacks since 9/11, ALL carried out by moon-worshippers.
Yes, that's it.
BTW You love Jews really, don't you? Tell you what, make a nice big sign saying how much you love them and carry it above your head, in Islamabad (sound familiar?). You would be dead in a minute, at the hands of your own men.
16k terror attacks and you still survived?? Are you a man or a man god or a god man, Mr. E.V.?
The 16k terror attacks, do they include this one,
"British mercenary firm exposed in civilian shooting incident in Iraq
Indiscriminate Killings of Civilians"
By Wayne Madsen
"Women in the second car immediately jumped out waving their scarves, trying desperately to communicate that they were civilians. The U.S. helicopter gunships continued firing on the now unshielded women. 21 people were killed and 13 were wounded."
As for Abdullah, thanks for bringing it up, like you said, the meaning is absolutely not, the slave/the servant of the moon god!
Allah is the God, the Lord, Mr. E.V. The same message was brought by the prophets and the messengers of God since the first man, not the first ape. These chosen ones were not in their way of persecuting anyone and witnessed a stoning ritual of someone because they have a different idea of faith, and you claimed Muslim did that? You forgot St. Paul. Was St. Paul a nobody like a terrorist, Mr. English Viking?
Planes bombers,etc. are terrorists! Not some charasmatic leaders, worshipped by the nations! Supporting their leaders based on lies and hate! These terrorists are just the same advocates of terror.
Funny how the likes of you are so quick in associating the Muslims with the terrorists! You're quick too in detaching yourselves from atrocities committed by your nation against the world until now. How sad.
Allah was known by all before Muhammad. It is only envy and proudness that made them blind.
And among men there are some who say, “We believe in Allah and in the Last Day”, yet they are not believers.
They try to deceive Allah and those who believe, while they are not deceiving anyone except themselves, although they are unaware of it.
In their hearts there is a malady, so Allah has made them grow in their malady; and for them there is a grievous punishment, because they have been lying.
When it is said to them, “Do not spread disorder on the earth”, they say, “We are but reformers.”
Beware, it is, in fact, they who spread disorder, but they do not appreciate.
Allah was and is the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. They all carried the same message, the oneness of God.
So, when Mūsā completed the term and set forth with his wife, he noticed a fire from the direction of (the mount) Tūr, he said to his wife, “Stay here; I have noticed a fire. May be I bring to you some information or an ember from the fire, so that you may warm yourself.”
So when he came to it, he was called by a voice coming from a side of the right valley in the blessed ground, from the tree, saying, “O Mūsā, I AM ALLAH, the Lord of the worlds,”
In the Bible,
"I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone,
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).
Where was Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any," (Isaiah 44:8b). "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God," (Isaiah 44:6b).
Prophet Moses said,
3 Hear, Israel, and be careful to obey so that it may go well with you and that you may increase greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your ancestors, promised you.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Even the Jews knew Allah. Are you denying the origin of Christianity?
Why don't you ever answer the question?
The attacks by my country (I think you mean USA, but never mind) are not motivated by religion, nor committed by Christians.
You are a liar.
PS The origin if Christianity is Christ, not your dirty moon-god.
"God told me"
"Doing god's work"
"May god bless our country and all who defend her."
And don' forget this one,
"Inside Abu Ghraib"
"Religion also surfaced as an issue when Mr Bush and Tony Blair were reported to have prayed together in 2002 at his ranch at Crawford, Texas - the summit at which the invasion of Iraq was agreed in principle. Mr Blair has consistently refused to admit or deny the claim".
And you are more oblivious about the bible inscriptions ingrained on guns, invented to kill. I'm sure there's no Christianity involved.
"The inscription JN8:12 on the Army's new gunsights is a reference to John, chapter 8, verse 12, which says: 'When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life"
"One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."
Who are you E.V.? What Christian are you? The one that believe in the trinity or the one that do not? The one that believe the divinity of Mary or the one who do not? Which bible do you read?
Some interesting question about Mecca according to the Bible,
About Abdullah, Allah was not invented by Muhammad, you proved it yourself, Muhammad only correct the wrong understanding of the pagans and the people about Allah, that's all. Unless you have proof to state otherwise with your point "Abdullah".
My faith doesn't require the blood of the innocents to be spilled. Yours seem to be relying on it, heavily.
If Allah was a moon god, why didn't the Muslims faced the moon itself during prayers? Can you answer that Len? The Japanese bow to the morning sun. Find at least one Muslim that bow to the moon.
Refute this Len,
In Isaiah, it was prophesied that the revelation of God will be revealed to the one who cannot read. Only Muhammad matched this description.
King James Bible
'And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed':
'And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned'.
'The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men'.
Mr. Bush said,
"I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."
'Another telling sign of Mr Bush's religion was his answer to Mr Woodward's question on whether he had asked his father - the former president who refused to launch a full-scale invasion of Iraq after driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991 - for advice on what to do'.
One more about your President and nothing about Christianity.
"The current President replied that his earthly father was "the wrong father to appeal to for advice ... there is a higher father that I appeal to".
Who's the liar now, Mr. E.Viking?
'Captain Israel, a kosher superman, is holding a Menorah torch. He is there to set the entire region on fire'.
"Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the Sun and Moon. Prostrate (adore) not to the Sun and the Moon but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve."
Holy Qur'an 41:37
'Finally, Jesus Christ and many of his disciples spoke Aramaic. In the Aramaic language the word for the Almighty God is ‘Allaha’ and the name of Jesus is 'Iessa'. There are records of Jesus praying in Aramaic to his God 'Allaha". Was Christ also misguided by the Pagan Arabs?'
Please desist from using the moongod theory, guys. It is embarrassing.
Dr. Morey and the moon. Hmm..
"How can his father have been a servant of a god whose name was not revealed until his son was a full grown man?"
I have answered your question, could you please answer mine,
The trinity consists of the father, the son and the holy ghost. How can a son also be the father? Could he fathered himself? And could a son being born to a mother invented by him? Who exist first?
Blair and Bush are not Christians. That is obvious, they are not following Christ. Various terrorists around the world, on a daily basis, are, however, following the bloody and gruesome example of Mo.
The Son is most certainly not the Father.
Google 'Orthodox Reformed Theology'.
The one in Isaiah 19 speaks, who was unable to read the book, was unable to do so because it was sealed, not because he was an illiterate-warlord rapist.
Typo. replace 'in Isaiah 19 speaks' with 'of whom Isaiah 19 speaks'.
Could you please list them here, with proof, specifically so that I can understand how you have come to those conclusions and compare them with my knowledge. Please state them based on your understanding, not resources from websites, which I'm sure is aplenty, but I can't refute them directly. They don't have any comment-enabled gadget!
''And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned'.
No seal mentioned here.
'Muhammad (s) was forty when, during his one of many retreats to Mount Hira for meditation during the month of Ramadan, he received the first revelation from the Archangel Jibril (Gabriel). On this first appearance, Gabriel (as) said to Muhammad: "Iqraa," meaning Read or Recite. Muhammad replied, "I cannot read," as he had not received any formal education and did not know how to read or write. The Angel Gabriel then embraced him until he reached the limit of his endurance and after releasing said: "Iqraa." Muhammad’s answer was the same as before. Gabriel repeated the embrace for the third time, asked him to repeat after him and said:
"Recite in the name of your Lord who created! He created man from that which clings. Recite; and thy Lord is most Bountiful, He who has taught by the pen, taught man what he knew not."
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
Recite (O Prophet) what is revealed to you of the Book, and establish Salāh . Surely Salāh restrains one from shameful and evil acts. Indeed remembrance of Allah is the greatest of all things. Allah knows what you do.
Do not debate with the people of the Book unless it is in the best manner, except with those of them who commit injustice. And say, “We believe in what is sent down to us and sent down to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit (ourselves).”
Thus We have sent down the Book to you. So those to whom We have given the Book believe in it. And from these (the people of Makkah) there are ones who believe in it, and no one rejects Our verses except the infidels.
You (O Prophet,) have never been reciting any book before this, nor have you been writing it with your right hand; had it been so, the adherents of falsehood would have raised doubts.
Mr. English Viking,
You yourself know that Muhammad s.a.w. was an illiterate, and you know how much writing of Christianity in the OT and the NT, not to mentioned the perished ones after Nicaea. Can an illiterate memorised them all so well and present it anew in a more beautiful way? Yes or no? If he had a helper, wouldn't it be wiser for the helper to declare himself as a prophet in the middle of the hostile and barbaric, powerful pagans?
And as for Aisyah r.a., maybe this piece of writing would make you understand her importance. Who could argue with a man's wife that he knew him better than her? In this way, his hadith/sayings were preserved decades after his return to the Lord's mercy, to more Muslims and scholars.
'Later, Muhammad married additional wives, nine of whom survived him. Aisha, who became known as Muhammad's favourite wife in Sunni tradition, survived him by many decades and was instrumental in helping to bring together the scattered sayings of Muhammad that would form the Hadith literature for the Sunni branch of Islam'.
53. ^ a b c d e Watt, Aisha, Encyclopedia of Islam
I have my own Islamic sources, in Arabic, English and Malay, but I'll provide non-Islamic sources here to avoid being biased. The azan for the evening prayer is calling me. I'll be back.
"The commencement of the Divine Inspiration of Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continually for many days before wishing to see his family. He used to take with him provisions for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadeejah to eat his food again as before.
One day suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet (peace be upon him) added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, "I do not know how to read." Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time until I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?" Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, "Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.'"(96):1-3.
Then Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) returned with the Inspiration and with his heart trembling. He went to Khadeejah the daughter of Khuwaylid (his wife) and said, "Cover me!" She covered him until his fear subsided. After that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadeejah replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving people afflicted with calamities."
Khadeejah then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqah ibn Nawfal ibn Asad ibn AbdulUzza, who, during the pre-Islamic period became a Christian and used to write in the Hebrew alphabet. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight.
Khadeejah said to Waraqah, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqah asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described that which he had seen. Waraqah said, "This is the one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live until the time when your people will turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqah replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to that which you have brought was greeted with hostility; and if I remain alive until the day when you will be turned out then I should support you strongly."
I Corinthians 5:11-13
'But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person'.
'Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God'.
'But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment'.
'Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again'.
Can something unclean and declared unlawful be considered lawful once more? What kind of law is that? Without consistency that is.
Leviticus 11:7-8 (New International Version)
11:7) 'And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you'.
11:8) 'You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you'.
Deuteronomy 14:8 (New International Version)
14:8) 'The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses'.
Some say somehow that with the coming of the NT, all that were forbidden, are now allowed for Christians, but I'm confused with this verse,
Matthew 5:17 (New International Version)
5:17) 'Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them'.
So, my question to you Mr. E. Viking, between Muslims and Christians, who had adhered fully to the filth concept in the Bible? And who had not considered the filth in the Bible as filth. Thanks.