srizals said...Hurry up Mr. E.Viking, before his grace puts us on 'upon administrator approval.'
English Viking said...Srizals the liar,
Christianity concerns itself with the teachings contained in the NT, so quoting OT to try and damage Christianity is a sad, old, useless trick. Great wisdom is in the OT, a shadow of things to come, such as Psalm 104 v 15. Who made wine? Answer.
The biblical restriction is on drunkeness, not drinking, else why would Paul tell Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach? 1 Tim 5, 23. Else Why would Christ turn water into wine? John 2.
We are not concerning ourselves with the 29th book of Isaiah, but the 19th, the one you misquoted. Answer the question, troll.
Having sex with 9 year old children is commonly known (under the law of the kuffar) as rape. Therefore Mo was a kiddie-fiddler, a rapist, a pervert. So are those that follow him. Have you got a 9 year old girlfriend, Srizals? Have you 'thighed' her? (google 'thighing' if you dare.)
If you want filth, google 'honour killings'.
How many Christians 'honour kill' their children? Oh sorry, I forgot, it is the honour of the muslim to slaughter his own daughter and bury her in the back garden for 'inappropriate dress'.
I hope one day to meet you. Really.
I'm sometimes out your way, you know?
BTW, Don't 'hurry me up'.
Christianity concerns itself with the teachings contained in the NT, so quoting OT to try and damage Christianity is a sad, old, useless trick. Great wisdom is in the OT, a shadow of things to come, such as Psalm 104 v 15. Who made wine? Answer.
The biblical restriction is on drunkeness, not drinking, else why would Paul tell Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach? 1 Tim 5, 23. Else Why would Christ turn water into wine? John 2.
We are not concerning ourselves with the 29th book of Isaiah, but the 19th, the one you misquoted. Answer the question, troll.
Having sex with 9 year old children is commonly known (under the law of the kuffar) as rape. Therefore Mo was a kiddie-fiddler, a rapist, a pervert. So are those that follow him. Have you got a 9 year old girlfriend, Srizals? Have you 'thighed' her? (google 'thighing' if you dare.)
If you want filth, google 'honour killings'.
How many Christians 'honour kill' their children? Oh sorry, I forgot, it is the honour of the muslim to slaughter his own daughter and bury her in the back garden for 'inappropriate dress'.
I hope one day to meet you. Really.
I'm sometimes out your way, you know?
BTW, Don't 'hurry me up'.
srizals said...English Viking, the handsome contradictor?
"Having sex with 9 year old children is commonly known (under the law of the kuffar) as rape". Well, not in Thailand. A kuffar state!
Since when I must ask? Since the great Christian Byzantium? Since the 100 years war between France and Britain?
Since the paedophile priests taboo broke out? Since sex revolution started in the West? Since when? Do you know that current law do not bind happenings that exist before it? What more a thousand years ago? But interestingly, do you know how old a woman can conceived a child in her womb?
Is marriage the same as rape? Then I'm also a rapist, maybe even your father, and you are a result of a sadistic rape! Make up your mind, Viking! Who made those law? Puny humans or based on the Bible? I thought nowadays Christians have a Judeo-Christian heritage, why are you abandoning your Judeo heritage of the Old Testament? Was St. Paul a cancellation of Christ and Moses? Then he must have been a son of god too, since he can cancel the two great prophets! Could he be the Saint god himself??
Is a girl that have the ability of a woman, be considered as a baby? What if she herself have a baby?
You're out my way? Aren't you afraid of the terrorists? I thought you said all Muslims are blood thirsty, crazy terrorists? Why aren't you dead yet? Or are you wearing a burqa in our midst? Could you give me a hint so that I could be where you are when you're visiting my domain?
You keep on insisting the criminals as the representatives of all Muslims, 1.5 billion of them who do not copy the few criminals nor vote for them, definitely not supporting them blindly, as many Christians did! The terrorists are nobody, Mr. Viking! Your terrorists are millionaires, if not powerful billionaires! At least Muslim terrorists are honest. The Christian terrorists hide behind their terror and concealed their cross! Only the Klu Klux Klan was brave enough to use the burning cross as their symbol/identification before terrorising the poor Christian blacks!
Paul is a nobody in Islamic view! He's not a prophet nor the disciples of Christ nor a holy man. He was a tool of the Romans, and torturing was his business. So your point is?
As for Jesus made wine out of water, I definitely reject it, the Bible was corrupted remember, this is one example of it! Or one more proof of biblical contradiction!
(Leviticus 10)
10:8 And Jehovah spoke to Aaron, saying,
10:9 Thou shalt not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, and thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tent of meeting, lest ye die -- [it is] an everlasting statute throughout your generations,
10:10 that ye may put difference between the holy and the unholy, and between unclean and clean,
10:11 and that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which Jehovah hath spoken to them by the hand of Moses.
(Proverbs 20:1)
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
(Proverbs 4: 17)
For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.
(Joel 1:5)
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
In the Gospel of Luke, a description about John the Baptist:
(Luke 1:15)
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. So many verses condemning alcoholic intoxicating drinks, and yet in John 2:1-10, that tell your Jesus, which was not a prophet to you, changed his mind and decided to bless a cursed drink!
"Having sex with 9 year old children is commonly known (under the law of the kuffar) as rape". Well, not in Thailand. A kuffar state!
Since when I must ask? Since the great Christian Byzantium? Since the 100 years war between France and Britain?
Since the paedophile priests taboo broke out? Since sex revolution started in the West? Since when? Do you know that current law do not bind happenings that exist before it? What more a thousand years ago? But interestingly, do you know how old a woman can conceived a child in her womb?
Is marriage the same as rape? Then I'm also a rapist, maybe even your father, and you are a result of a sadistic rape! Make up your mind, Viking! Who made those law? Puny humans or based on the Bible? I thought nowadays Christians have a Judeo-Christian heritage, why are you abandoning your Judeo heritage of the Old Testament? Was St. Paul a cancellation of Christ and Moses? Then he must have been a son of god too, since he can cancel the two great prophets! Could he be the Saint god himself??
Is a girl that have the ability of a woman, be considered as a baby? What if she herself have a baby?
You're out my way? Aren't you afraid of the terrorists? I thought you said all Muslims are blood thirsty, crazy terrorists? Why aren't you dead yet? Or are you wearing a burqa in our midst? Could you give me a hint so that I could be where you are when you're visiting my domain?
You keep on insisting the criminals as the representatives of all Muslims, 1.5 billion of them who do not copy the few criminals nor vote for them, definitely not supporting them blindly, as many Christians did! The terrorists are nobody, Mr. Viking! Your terrorists are millionaires, if not powerful billionaires! At least Muslim terrorists are honest. The Christian terrorists hide behind their terror and concealed their cross! Only the Klu Klux Klan was brave enough to use the burning cross as their symbol/identification before terrorising the poor Christian blacks!
Paul is a nobody in Islamic view! He's not a prophet nor the disciples of Christ nor a holy man. He was a tool of the Romans, and torturing was his business. So your point is?
As for Jesus made wine out of water, I definitely reject it, the Bible was corrupted remember, this is one example of it! Or one more proof of biblical contradiction!
(Leviticus 10)
10:8 And Jehovah spoke to Aaron, saying,
10:9 Thou shalt not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, and thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tent of meeting, lest ye die -- [it is] an everlasting statute throughout your generations,
10:10 that ye may put difference between the holy and the unholy, and between unclean and clean,
10:11 and that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which Jehovah hath spoken to them by the hand of Moses.
(Proverbs 20:1)
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
(Proverbs 4: 17)
For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.
(Joel 1:5)
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
In the Gospel of Luke, a description about John the Baptist:
(Luke 1:15)
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. So many verses condemning alcoholic intoxicating drinks, and yet in John 2:1-10, that tell your Jesus, which was not a prophet to you, changed his mind and decided to bless a cursed drink!
srizals said...As for the quotation I've mentioned earlier, Isaiah 19:12, it's just to check whether you really read the Bible, and obviously you don't, for you would have known Isaiah 19:11-13 was not the same with Isaiah 29:11-13. It's my way of checking those who claimed they read the Bible actually read them, or just small talk.
Isaiah 19:12
King James Bible
'Where [are] they? where [are] thy wise [men]? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt'.
You don't read nor understand the Bible!
Who is greater Mr. E.V.? St. Paul or Jesus? Why didn't Jesus have any Saint in front of his name?
Strong drink effect,
In 2003, 43,220 people died on the highways due to alcohol.
403,795 people were admitted to hospitals in 2003 because of alcohol related accidents and problems.
More people were killed by alcohol drinking on Super Bowl Day then any other day of the year.
149,000 children injured in 2003 in alcohol related accidents.
There were over 5,500 deaths of children in 2003 caused by alcohol.
Alcohol consumption in the USA was 7 liters per person or approximately 2 1/2 large bottles of Coke or Pepsi (2 Liter bottles). This amounts to approximately 2.450 billion liters per year total consumption.
Over 5,000 babies are born each year with severe birth defects because of the mother being an alcoholic.
The majority of divorces in the USA are because of adultery; the second most reason is alcohol and drug abuse.
Every year, doctors, lawyers, educators, and airplane pilots, lose jobs and their professional lives destroyed by alcohol addiction.
There are thousands of suicides each year caused by alcohol abuse.
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/drinking-wine.html
How can anyone distinguish the fine line of drinking and drunkenness? Self control?
Okay, fine, you have done well with wine, what about pigs and free sex outside marriage? Most Christians are okay with it, so, would it be presenting Christianity? Or like wine, it is bad then, and it's okay now. We have to amend to change right? Nothing is consistent!
For you Mr. E.V.
(Proverbs 4)
4:18 But the path of the righteous is as the shining light, going on and brightening until the day be fully come.
4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.
A repetition for a greater emphasis,
10:8 And Jehovah spoke to Aaron, saying,
10:9 Thou shalt not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, and thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tent of meeting, lest ye die -- [it is] an everlasting statute throughout your generations,
10:10 'that ye may put difference between the holy and the unholy, and between unclean and clean'
10:9
'..an everlasting statute throughout your generations', my emphasis.
Ps, do read your Bible before conversing with a lying little troll like me. If you don't, you'll proved that you are as what you have accused me of. Just thought I should help you out. I'm not a bully.
This time, take your time. Not too long I hope, lest we forget.
Isaiah 19:12
King James Bible
'Where [are] they? where [are] thy wise [men]? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt'.
You don't read nor understand the Bible!
Who is greater Mr. E.V.? St. Paul or Jesus? Why didn't Jesus have any Saint in front of his name?
Strong drink effect,
In 2003, 43,220 people died on the highways due to alcohol.
403,795 people were admitted to hospitals in 2003 because of alcohol related accidents and problems.
More people were killed by alcohol drinking on Super Bowl Day then any other day of the year.
149,000 children injured in 2003 in alcohol related accidents.
There were over 5,500 deaths of children in 2003 caused by alcohol.
Alcohol consumption in the USA was 7 liters per person or approximately 2 1/2 large bottles of Coke or Pepsi (2 Liter bottles). This amounts to approximately 2.450 billion liters per year total consumption.
Over 5,000 babies are born each year with severe birth defects because of the mother being an alcoholic.
The majority of divorces in the USA are because of adultery; the second most reason is alcohol and drug abuse.
Every year, doctors, lawyers, educators, and airplane pilots, lose jobs and their professional lives destroyed by alcohol addiction.
There are thousands of suicides each year caused by alcohol abuse.
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/drinking-wine.html
How can anyone distinguish the fine line of drinking and drunkenness? Self control?
Okay, fine, you have done well with wine, what about pigs and free sex outside marriage? Most Christians are okay with it, so, would it be presenting Christianity? Or like wine, it is bad then, and it's okay now. We have to amend to change right? Nothing is consistent!
For you Mr. E.V.
(Proverbs 4)
4:18 But the path of the righteous is as the shining light, going on and brightening until the day be fully come.
4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.
A repetition for a greater emphasis,
10:8 And Jehovah spoke to Aaron, saying,
10:9 Thou shalt not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, and thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tent of meeting, lest ye die -- [it is] an everlasting statute throughout your generations,
10:10 'that ye may put difference between the holy and the unholy, and between unclean and clean'
10:9
'..an everlasting statute throughout your generations', my emphasis.
Ps, do read your Bible before conversing with a lying little troll like me. If you don't, you'll proved that you are as what you have accused me of. Just thought I should help you out. I'm not a bully.
This time, take your time. Not too long I hope, lest we forget.
srizals said...A Christian view point,
"Some, though, insist: "It says Jesus made wine out of water." Beloved, the word wine is oinos. The Greek word oinos is generic and does not necessarily mean fermented juice (see Bible Wines, by William Patton, pg. 89). It must also be remembered that even fermented wine in Bible days does not compare to our strong drink in alcoholic content. Again, I stress: If the wine Jesus made had been fermented, he would have not simply been engaging in what some call the temperate and social use of alcohol, but he would have been involved in providing more liquor to people who had already had "too much to drink." They would have the sinless Son of God participating and providing for a drunken orgy!"
http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/btar186.htm
"Some, though, insist: "It says Jesus made wine out of water." Beloved, the word wine is oinos. The Greek word oinos is generic and does not necessarily mean fermented juice (see Bible Wines, by William Patton, pg. 89). It must also be remembered that even fermented wine in Bible days does not compare to our strong drink in alcoholic content. Again, I stress: If the wine Jesus made had been fermented, he would have not simply been engaging in what some call the temperate and social use of alcohol, but he would have been involved in providing more liquor to people who had already had "too much to drink." They would have the sinless Son of God participating and providing for a drunken orgy!"
http://www.bibletruths.net/archives/btar186.htm
srizals said...'Distillation was not discovered until about 1500 A.D. Strong drink and unmixed wine in Bible times was from 3% to 11% alcohol. Dr. John MacArthur says "...since anybody in biblical times who drank unmixed wine (9-11% alcohol) was definitely considered a barbarian, then we dont even need to discuss whether a Christian should drink hard liquor--that is apparent!"
http://logosresourcepages.org/Believers/drinking.htm
Listen to your co-religionist. They meant well. Not unless you prefer Valhalla then the kingdom of God. Should we really gamble our fate in the afterlife?
Len has chosen to be on the safe side and become a silent spectator. Is the truth too hard to swallow than a fairy tale of the evil Islam?
http://logosresourcepages.org/Believers/drinking.htm
Listen to your co-religionist. They meant well. Not unless you prefer Valhalla then the kingdom of God. Should we really gamble our fate in the afterlife?
Len has chosen to be on the safe side and become a silent spectator. Is the truth too hard to swallow than a fairy tale of the evil Islam?
English Viking said...Srizals,
There is no point continuing this discussion if you continue to lie, misrepresent, misquote and consistently fail to answer questions.
Your answer to scriptures which prove my point is that they have been corrupted, but quote others which you falsely claim to prove yours. The scriptures you quote prove my point entirely, the biblical prohibition is on drunkeness, not on drinking.
Answer this: why will rivers of alcohol be available to muslim men in the afterlife, served to him by 'boys of perpetual youth'? Answer. You have failed to do so already, so again I say answer.
Thailand is not a kuffar nation.
aside from numerous other proofs of an earlier date, it is certain that the Greeks knew how to distill liquor in the 1st Century AD (Anno Domini, you know?)
It was only a few posts ago you were trying to claim the glory for the invention of distillation for the muslim, now you appear to have changed you mind (again).
I will, of course, be more than happy to let you know the next time I'm in Erdington.
There is no point continuing this discussion if you continue to lie, misrepresent, misquote and consistently fail to answer questions.
Your answer to scriptures which prove my point is that they have been corrupted, but quote others which you falsely claim to prove yours. The scriptures you quote prove my point entirely, the biblical prohibition is on drunkeness, not on drinking.
Answer this: why will rivers of alcohol be available to muslim men in the afterlife, served to him by 'boys of perpetual youth'? Answer. You have failed to do so already, so again I say answer.
Thailand is not a kuffar nation.
aside from numerous other proofs of an earlier date, it is certain that the Greeks knew how to distill liquor in the 1st Century AD (Anno Domini, you know?)
It was only a few posts ago you were trying to claim the glory for the invention of distillation for the muslim, now you appear to have changed you mind (again).
I will, of course, be more than happy to let you know the next time I'm in Erdington.
srizals said...Well, it's a very, very tricky job of identifying the verses in the Bible, Mr. English Viking, thanks to the meddling of men who thought they were gods, if not the sons of gods, not forgetting council chaired by a pagan!
I try to identify those which correspond with the Koran, the Torah and the Psalms, but the damage was done. For example, the Lord in the Old Testament were pictured like a blood thirsty pagan lords, that would kill and destroy without limits! Of course this would not be accepted by me and Muslims as the true word of God. Messengers of God were pictured as no different than common criminals, drunkards and adulterer! Dirty hands and ill intentions have distorted it, severely.
But remembering this verse in the Koran, soothes my anguish soul,
[2:105]
Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Book and the idolaters do not like that any good should come to you from your Lord. But Allah chooses for His grace whomsoever He wills, and Allah is the Lord of great bounty.
[2:106]
Whenever We abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or one equal to it. Do you not know that Allah is powerful over everything?
[2:107]
Do you not know that to Allah alone belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth? Other than Allah, you have neither a patron, nor a helper.
[2:108]
Or, do you rather want to question your Prophet as Mūsā was questioned earlier? And whoever takes infidelity in exchange for faith has certainly missed the straight path.
[2:109]
(O Muslims,) many among the people of the Book desire to turn you, after your accepting the faith, back into disbelievers - all out of envy on their part, even after the truth has become clear to them. So, forgive and overlook till Allah brings out His command. Certainly, Allah is powerful over everything.
[2:110]
And be steadfast in Salāh (prayer), and give Zakāh. Whatever good you send forth for yourselves, you will find it with Allah. Certainly, Allah is watchful of what you do.
[2:111]
They say that no one shall ever enter Paradise unless he is a Jew, or a Christian. These are their fancies. Say, “Bring your proof, if you are truthful.”
[2:112]
Of course, whosoever submits his face to Allah, and is good in deeds, will have his reward with his Lord, and there shall be no fear for such people, nor shall they grieve.
I try to identify those which correspond with the Koran, the Torah and the Psalms, but the damage was done. For example, the Lord in the Old Testament were pictured like a blood thirsty pagan lords, that would kill and destroy without limits! Of course this would not be accepted by me and Muslims as the true word of God. Messengers of God were pictured as no different than common criminals, drunkards and adulterer! Dirty hands and ill intentions have distorted it, severely.
But remembering this verse in the Koran, soothes my anguish soul,
[2:105]
Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Book and the idolaters do not like that any good should come to you from your Lord. But Allah chooses for His grace whomsoever He wills, and Allah is the Lord of great bounty.
[2:106]
Whenever We abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or one equal to it. Do you not know that Allah is powerful over everything?
[2:107]
Do you not know that to Allah alone belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth? Other than Allah, you have neither a patron, nor a helper.
[2:108]
Or, do you rather want to question your Prophet as Mūsā was questioned earlier? And whoever takes infidelity in exchange for faith has certainly missed the straight path.
[2:109]
(O Muslims,) many among the people of the Book desire to turn you, after your accepting the faith, back into disbelievers - all out of envy on their part, even after the truth has become clear to them. So, forgive and overlook till Allah brings out His command. Certainly, Allah is powerful over everything.
[2:110]
And be steadfast in Salāh (prayer), and give Zakāh. Whatever good you send forth for yourselves, you will find it with Allah. Certainly, Allah is watchful of what you do.
[2:111]
They say that no one shall ever enter Paradise unless he is a Jew, or a Christian. These are their fancies. Say, “Bring your proof, if you are truthful.”
[2:112]
Of course, whosoever submits his face to Allah, and is good in deeds, will have his reward with his Lord, and there shall be no fear for such people, nor shall they grieve.
srizals said...Paradise is not a testing ground as our earthly lives, Mr. English Viking; don't you get it by now?
The servants are boys who died in infant-hood or those who died before puberty reached them. They are sinless since they carry no burden of seeking the truth and abide by it. They got to live forever by the side of those who had passed this bitter test of life to prove himself to God. The ability to remain good, in spite of the overwhelming temptation of evil. Enduring immense hardship to remain pure. Constantly cleansing his mind and soul, should they become corrupt with time.
Have you forgotten how wonderful your life was being a boy? The adventure and the never ever tire strength of a boy? And I don't think the servants of paradise are the same with earthly servants, unless you think that there's no difference between Paradise and this life. What's the point?
As for the river of wine, do you really think that a river such as that, could really damage the mind and soul of the dwellers of paradise? There are no evil whisperers in Paradise, Mr. E.V. All evil are in a place where they belong. Burning for eternity, unless there's a slight grain of faith in their heart, they would be free, after they have done burning all their sins. And I'm not even comparing our earthly fire with it. What more the pleasures of paradise!
The dwellers of paradise do not have to compete nor strive nor suffer anything like we do. They don't even excrete, grow old and die. They have won their ultimate prize. As I hope we all will too. Insya Allah.
The servants are boys who died in infant-hood or those who died before puberty reached them. They are sinless since they carry no burden of seeking the truth and abide by it. They got to live forever by the side of those who had passed this bitter test of life to prove himself to God. The ability to remain good, in spite of the overwhelming temptation of evil. Enduring immense hardship to remain pure. Constantly cleansing his mind and soul, should they become corrupt with time.
Have you forgotten how wonderful your life was being a boy? The adventure and the never ever tire strength of a boy? And I don't think the servants of paradise are the same with earthly servants, unless you think that there's no difference between Paradise and this life. What's the point?
As for the river of wine, do you really think that a river such as that, could really damage the mind and soul of the dwellers of paradise? There are no evil whisperers in Paradise, Mr. E.V. All evil are in a place where they belong. Burning for eternity, unless there's a slight grain of faith in their heart, they would be free, after they have done burning all their sins. And I'm not even comparing our earthly fire with it. What more the pleasures of paradise!
The dwellers of paradise do not have to compete nor strive nor suffer anything like we do. They don't even excrete, grow old and die. They have won their ultimate prize. As I hope we all will too. Insya Allah.
len said...I only hope you see the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ before you meet Him in person Srizels, you either meet Jesus as saviour or Judge!
Don`t leave it too late!
Don`t leave it too late!
srizals said...But I do see the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ, Len. I believe in him with all my heart, if not, I won't be a Muslim! He was a holy beloved prophet of God! It's the deceptions of the pagan Romans that I can't accept. An enemy within is what it takes. It doesn't have to destroy the truth, a corruption would be enough.
My hope is the same with you, Len. I'm not giving up.
Where is the Viking, I wonder?
My hope is the same with you, Len. I'm not giving up.
Where is the Viking, I wonder?
