len said...I suppose one of the problems with Islam is one of interpretation.Does one just do the 'good bits' (presumably there are some?)or does one pull out all the stops and do all that the Koran encourages one to do?
Islam has some of the elements of the Old (Testament) Covenant which were put in place to keep the fallen nature in check until Gods solution (Jesus Christ) was able to remedy this with the Spiritual re birth and a new nature.
The Old Covenant placed all the responsibility for righteousness on man( who failed dismally!)Some Religions still persist in this attempt to make man acceptable to God by his own efforts!. It is a struggle doomed to failure!!.
The New Covenant is entirely a work of God.God places His Spirit in the Believer to enable him to be righteous not by his own efforts but by the Grace of God.
Islam has no such solution for the problems of a fallen nature only to keep struggling with an impossible task.
Islam has some of the elements of the Old (Testament) Covenant which were put in place to keep the fallen nature in check until Gods solution (Jesus Christ) was able to remedy this with the Spiritual re birth and a new nature.
The Old Covenant placed all the responsibility for righteousness on man( who failed dismally!)Some Religions still persist in this attempt to make man acceptable to God by his own efforts!. It is a struggle doomed to failure!!.
The New Covenant is entirely a work of God.God places His Spirit in the Believer to enable him to be righteous not by his own efforts but by the Grace of God.
Islam has no such solution for the problems of a fallen nature only to keep struggling with an impossible task.
1 February 2011 20:51
JayBee said...
@srizals 20:51
No paedophile priests. Really?
I think you better click on this link.
JayBee said...@srizals 20:51
No paedophile priests. Really?
I think you better click on this link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-12335032
1 February 2011 21:19
KINGOFHIGHCS said...
Srizals said
That's why we have no paedophile priests (Priests maybe but no paedophiles..puhleese!), less likely to destroy and conquer for materialistic gains (What on earth was the muslim crusades that swept all before, right up into Spain about then..Goodwill at the edge of a sword?) (gold, gospel and glory was never our motto)(What is your motto..Death, Denial, Dhimmitude??), and do not have any problem with legal abortion (fair enough but if you (Muslims) were to accept abortion, would it not decimate, DECREMENTALLY, if you want to take over the world by sheer numbers of muslims inhabitants?), last but not least, have sex with dignity (What on earth does this mean?).
KINGOFHIGHCS said...Srizals said
That's why we have no paedophile priests (Priests maybe but no paedophiles..puhleese!), less likely to destroy and conquer for materialistic gains (What on earth was the muslim crusades that swept all before, right up into Spain about then..Goodwill at the edge of a sword?) (gold, gospel and glory was never our motto)(What is your motto..Death, Denial, Dhimmitude??), and do not have any problem with legal abortion (fair enough but if you (Muslims) were to accept abortion, would it not decimate, DECREMENTALLY, if you want to take over the world by sheer numbers of muslims inhabitants?), last but not least, have sex with dignity (What on earth does this mean?).
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
1 February 2011 21:21
Johnny Rottenborough said...
Johnny Rottenborough said...@ srizals (20:51)—Click here for another mosque miscreant.
DP111 said...Prayer Focus
Country: PAKISTAN, IRAN, VIETNAM, AFGHANISTAN, UZBEKISTAN, IRAQ, EGYPT, NIGERIA
AFGHANISTAN - CONCERN GROWS FOR IMPRISONED CHRISTIANS
IRAN - DOZENS OF CHRISTIANS ARRESTED IN LATE NIGHT RAIDS
UZBEKISTAN - PASTOR SHESTAKOV RELEASED!
GLOBAL VIOLENCE - ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS IN IRAQ, EGYPT AND NIGERIA
PAKISTAN - NO CHANGES TO “BLASPHEMY LAW”, SAYS PRIME MINISTER
VIETNAM - CHRISTIAN LEADER BEATEN AND BIBLE SCHOOL DEMOLISHED
http://barnabasfund.org/prayer-focus-0211.html
Country: PAKISTAN, IRAN, VIETNAM, AFGHANISTAN, UZBEKISTAN, IRAQ, EGYPT, NIGERIA
AFGHANISTAN - CONCERN GROWS FOR IMPRISONED CHRISTIANS
IRAN - DOZENS OF CHRISTIANS ARRESTED IN LATE NIGHT RAIDS
UZBEKISTAN - PASTOR SHESTAKOV RELEASED!
GLOBAL VIOLENCE - ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS IN IRAQ, EGYPT AND NIGERIA
PAKISTAN - NO CHANGES TO “BLASPHEMY LAW”, SAYS PRIME MINISTER
VIETNAM - CHRISTIAN LEADER BEATEN AND BIBLE SCHOOL DEMOLISHED
http://barnabasfund.org/prayer-focus-0211.html
1 February 2011 22:40
Oswin said...
Oswin said...Srizals @20:51
What you don't have, is a press that reports YOUR paedophile priests! Are you truly so naive?
What you don't have, is a press that reports YOUR paedophile priests! Are you truly so naive?
2 February 2011 02:02
len said...
I would ask all Muslims this question(quite sincerely) because how you answer this question will determine your existence when you step out of time into Eternity.
len said...I would ask all Muslims this question(quite sincerely) because how you answer this question will determine your existence when you step out of time into Eternity.
Who would you rather spend Eternity with;
Jesus Christ
or
Mohammed.?
Don`t say both because that is impossible!
( I should qualify this statement by saying the Isa of the Koran is NOT the Jesus of the New Testament!)
Jesus Christ
or
Mohammed.?
Don`t say both because that is impossible!
( I should qualify this statement by saying the Isa of the Koran is NOT the Jesus of the New Testament!)
srizals said...Jaybee, Johnny and Oswin,
I stand with my statement. We do not have paedophile priests since there is no priesthood in Islam. Every Muslim is the same. But we definitely do have common criminals, just like you. That’s why we have Sharia, remember? My response is for Len, reminding him the nature of the fallen people seem to be showing on the side of those who believed their hideous sins are easily cleansed with other’s blood, not of their own.
Oswin, I do not seclude myself from any resources in a wonderful world of make believe. I’m here aren’t I? Not in a local and familiar territory. I do not limit myself to certain resources only. The world is my limit.
Every Muslim is the same. No Muslim can claim he or she has direct ‘revelation’ or ‘connection’ from God or he has the power to pardon the sins of man or blessed him with Paradise. What more of cursing him with the torment of Hell. Only our sincerity and our deeds set us apart, in the eyes of God.
[67:2]
the One who created death and life, so that He may test you as to which of you is better in his deeds. And He is the All-Mighty, the Most-Forgiving,
[67:3]
who has created seven skies, one over the other. You will see nothing out of proportion in the creation of the RaHmān (the All-Merciful Allah). So, cast your eye again. Do you see any rifts?
Those who teach some element of Islam are just like you and me. They are not known as the holy priests of the house of god! The only famous house of God in Islam, well known to the world is Kaabah. For example, I can pray at just about any mosque, can you pray at any church?
I stand with my statement. We do not have paedophile priests since there is no priesthood in Islam. Every Muslim is the same. But we definitely do have common criminals, just like you. That’s why we have Sharia, remember? My response is for Len, reminding him the nature of the fallen people seem to be showing on the side of those who believed their hideous sins are easily cleansed with other’s blood, not of their own.
Oswin, I do not seclude myself from any resources in a wonderful world of make believe. I’m here aren’t I? Not in a local and familiar territory. I do not limit myself to certain resources only. The world is my limit.
Every Muslim is the same. No Muslim can claim he or she has direct ‘revelation’ or ‘connection’ from God or he has the power to pardon the sins of man or blessed him with Paradise. What more of cursing him with the torment of Hell. Only our sincerity and our deeds set us apart, in the eyes of God.
[67:2]
the One who created death and life, so that He may test you as to which of you is better in his deeds. And He is the All-Mighty, the Most-Forgiving,
[67:3]
who has created seven skies, one over the other. You will see nothing out of proportion in the creation of the RaHmān (the All-Merciful Allah). So, cast your eye again. Do you see any rifts?
Those who teach some element of Islam are just like you and me. They are not known as the holy priests of the house of god! The only famous house of God in Islam, well known to the world is Kaabah. For example, I can pray at just about any mosque, can you pray at any church?
srizals said...Mr. Kingofhighcs,
Spain asked for Muslims’ help and they provided it and built her for almost 800 years with the Spanish of Andalusia. Even the Jews flourished with them. Compare that to the native Indians of America and the aborigines of Australia, to name a few. Do they have any peculiar similarities? One more, no Jews flourished with Christian kingdoms, ever. Only the atheist Jews prevail in recent century, exploiting the guilt of Christians for what the Christian Germans had done. And simply forgetting the tens of millions Christians that perished along with them. Only the atheist Jews dared to enslave their former masters through ‘democratic politics’. Alluring (Seducing more likely) ‘powerful’ men with the strongest power addiction of them all, the source of all evil, printed paper money. The true religious Jews never indulge themselves in using sex and usury to subdue others. Only the atheist and not that religious Zionists have such bravery. Remember, not all Jews are Zionists.
"The traditional story is that in the year 711, an oppressed Christian chief, Julian, went to Musa ibn Nusair, the governor of North Africa, with a plea for help against the tyrannical Visigoth ruler of Spain, Roderick".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml
Don’t forget the bloody Spanish civil war 1936 - 1939. They liberated themselves to more bloody tyranny of their own. As did the gates of Vienna would witnessed in Napoleonic wars, World War One and Two. But people only remembered the invading Turks that do not even destroy the city and its inhabitants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Vienna_in_World_War_II
No one seems to remember who introduced coffee beans to the people of Vienna.
"The real first coffeehouse in Austria opened in Vienna in 1683 after the Battle of Vienna, by using supplies from the spoils obtained after defeating the Turks. The officer who received the coffee beans, Polish military officer of Ukrainian origin Jerzy Franciszek Kulczycki, opened the coffee house and helped popularize the custom of adding sugar and milk to the coffee". Hope English Viking isn't reading all this, I know he loves coffee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee
Now can you see why this life of pleasure and pain for a thousand years won’t matter for the true hearts? Their thirst can only be quenched with infinity. How long is the sensation of pleasure and pain in this life that we can remember? 120 years?
Spain asked for Muslims’ help and they provided it and built her for almost 800 years with the Spanish of Andalusia. Even the Jews flourished with them. Compare that to the native Indians of America and the aborigines of Australia, to name a few. Do they have any peculiar similarities? One more, no Jews flourished with Christian kingdoms, ever. Only the atheist Jews prevail in recent century, exploiting the guilt of Christians for what the Christian Germans had done. And simply forgetting the tens of millions Christians that perished along with them. Only the atheist Jews dared to enslave their former masters through ‘democratic politics’. Alluring (Seducing more likely) ‘powerful’ men with the strongest power addiction of them all, the source of all evil, printed paper money. The true religious Jews never indulge themselves in using sex and usury to subdue others. Only the atheist and not that religious Zionists have such bravery. Remember, not all Jews are Zionists.
"The traditional story is that in the year 711, an oppressed Christian chief, Julian, went to Musa ibn Nusair, the governor of North Africa, with a plea for help against the tyrannical Visigoth ruler of Spain, Roderick".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml
Don’t forget the bloody Spanish civil war 1936 - 1939. They liberated themselves to more bloody tyranny of their own. As did the gates of Vienna would witnessed in Napoleonic wars, World War One and Two. But people only remembered the invading Turks that do not even destroy the city and its inhabitants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Vienna_in_World_War_II
No one seems to remember who introduced coffee beans to the people of Vienna.
"The real first coffeehouse in Austria opened in Vienna in 1683 after the Battle of Vienna, by using supplies from the spoils obtained after defeating the Turks. The officer who received the coffee beans, Polish military officer of Ukrainian origin Jerzy Franciszek Kulczycki, opened the coffee house and helped popularize the custom of adding sugar and milk to the coffee". Hope English Viking isn't reading all this, I know he loves coffee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee
Now can you see why this life of pleasure and pain for a thousand years won’t matter for the true hearts? Their thirst can only be quenched with infinity. How long is the sensation of pleasure and pain in this life that we can remember? 120 years?
srizals said...Len, Muslims want to live side by side with God and with those who love Him, forever being blessed, save from any evil and harm, for eternity. And having this memory of our earthly life to be cherished, in infinity.
The only thing that separates Muslims from Non Muslims is the understanding of God. For Muslims, God is not of this temporal earthly existence, so He couldn't be the sun and the moon, what more a blind created statue, absolutely not the weak, prone to error ordinary human being! God is God, to whom belong everything that depends on Him and it's not suitable for Him to have the needs and weaknesses of His creations!
[2:22]
He is the One who made the earth a bed for you, and the sky a roof, and sent down water from the sky, then brought forth with it fruits, as a provision for you. So, do not set up parallels to Allah when you know.
[2:115]
To Allah belongs the East and the West. So, whichever way you turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
[2:116]
They say: “Allah has got a son.” Pure is He. Instead, to Him belongs all that there is in the heavens and the earth. All stand obedient to Him.
[2:117]
(He is the) Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it: “Be”, and it comes to be.
[2:118]
Those who do not know say: “Why is it that Allah does not speak to us, nor does a sign come to us?” So spoke those before them as these people do. Their hearts resemble each other. We have indeed made the signs clear for the people who have certitude.
[2:119]
Surely, We have sent you with the truth, as a bearer of good tidings, and a warner, and you will not be asked about the people of Hell.
Len, could you provide the proof that Jesus Christ was not Isa? I'm looking forward for the proof Len. Thanks.
And a question for you Len, who are you actually following? Jesus, Paul or Constantine? Who actually taught about trinity?
Mark 12:29 New International Version
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Why didn't he mentioned that he was god too? Why did he said 'our' God?
The only thing that separates Muslims from Non Muslims is the understanding of God. For Muslims, God is not of this temporal earthly existence, so He couldn't be the sun and the moon, what more a blind created statue, absolutely not the weak, prone to error ordinary human being! God is God, to whom belong everything that depends on Him and it's not suitable for Him to have the needs and weaknesses of His creations!
[2:22]
He is the One who made the earth a bed for you, and the sky a roof, and sent down water from the sky, then brought forth with it fruits, as a provision for you. So, do not set up parallels to Allah when you know.
[2:115]
To Allah belongs the East and the West. So, whichever way you turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
[2:116]
They say: “Allah has got a son.” Pure is He. Instead, to Him belongs all that there is in the heavens and the earth. All stand obedient to Him.
[2:117]
(He is the) Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it: “Be”, and it comes to be.
[2:118]
Those who do not know say: “Why is it that Allah does not speak to us, nor does a sign come to us?” So spoke those before them as these people do. Their hearts resemble each other. We have indeed made the signs clear for the people who have certitude.
[2:119]
Surely, We have sent you with the truth, as a bearer of good tidings, and a warner, and you will not be asked about the people of Hell.
Len, could you provide the proof that Jesus Christ was not Isa? I'm looking forward for the proof Len. Thanks.
And a question for you Len, who are you actually following? Jesus, Paul or Constantine? Who actually taught about trinity?
Mark 12:29 New International Version
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Why didn't he mentioned that he was god too? Why did he said 'our' God?
srizals said...Mr. Kingofhighcs,
I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I mean by 'sex with dignity'. Our mindset and culture at certain point would differ. You see, man like any other species, have to multiply and renew themselves since they, like all things that exist in this universe, are actually dying or diminishing, the moment they exist. In order to keep the species going or the survival of the species, and especially civilisation of man, we have to have sex with the opposite sex, so that our sexual organs may function as they are suppose to. We can't have same sex orientation, since like all living things, we are created in pairs. Doing so would invite certain viruses only unique to humans and hence they are known as human papillomavirus and Human Immunodeficiency Virus, to name a few. We must marry and build a family unit consist of a husband (male only) and a wife (specifically female) with children, to ensure our existence would see a continuum. Failing to do so and we would be like Singapore. Constantly in the state of fear and had to keep on importing new 'Singaporeans' to keep them from going barren. And most importantly, when we have returned to our beginning existence of being baby-like, toothless, weak and in diapers, if we live that long, our children would take care of us, as we had. They are after all, our genes and legacy.
I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I mean by 'sex with dignity'. Our mindset and culture at certain point would differ. You see, man like any other species, have to multiply and renew themselves since they, like all things that exist in this universe, are actually dying or diminishing, the moment they exist. In order to keep the species going or the survival of the species, and especially civilisation of man, we have to have sex with the opposite sex, so that our sexual organs may function as they are suppose to. We can't have same sex orientation, since like all living things, we are created in pairs. Doing so would invite certain viruses only unique to humans and hence they are known as human papillomavirus and Human Immunodeficiency Virus, to name a few. We must marry and build a family unit consist of a husband (male only) and a wife (specifically female) with children, to ensure our existence would see a continuum. Failing to do so and we would be like Singapore. Constantly in the state of fear and had to keep on importing new 'Singaporeans' to keep them from going barren. And most importantly, when we have returned to our beginning existence of being baby-like, toothless, weak and in diapers, if we live that long, our children would take care of us, as we had. They are after all, our genes and legacy.
2 February 2011 14:50
KINGOFHIGHCS said...
Srizals said 2 February 2011 14:50
'I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I mean by 'sex with dignity'.'..Blah, blah, blah.'
KINGOFHIGHCS said...Srizals said 2 February 2011 14:50
'I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I mean by 'sex with dignity'.'..Blah, blah, blah.'
'They are after all, our genes and legacy.'.
I am truly non the wiser by your comment. You really are an old windbag, aren't you?.
Ha ha
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
I am truly non the wiser by your comment. You really are an old windbag, aren't you?.
Ha ha
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS
srizals said...Laughing your way out again Mr. K? You have some serious issue in your personality. You're not well, Mr. K. and I can tell.
Well, we can't help everyone now, can we? Some light can never be seen.
Well, we can't help everyone now, can we? Some light can never be seen.
srizals said...Len, something I want to share with you while waiting for your proof.
[2:122]
O children of Isrā’īl (Israel), remember My blessing that I conferred upon you, and that I gave you excellence over the worlds.
[2:123]
And guard yourselves against a day when no one shall stand for anyone for anything, nor shall ransom be accepted from anyone, nor shall intercession be of benefit to him, nor shall any support be given to such people.
[2:124]
When his Lord put Ibrāhīm to a test with certain Words, and he fulfilled them, He said, “I am going to make you an Imām for the people.”He said, “And from among my progeny?” He replied, “My promise does not extend to the unjust.”
[2:125]
When We made the House (Ka‘bah of Makkah) a frequented place for men, and a place of peace! Make from the Station of Ibrāhīm a place of prayer. We gave the (following directive) to Ibrāhīm and Ismā‘īl (Ishmael): “Purify My House for those who are to circumambulate (make Tawāf) and those who stay in I‘tikāf, and those who bow down or prostrate themselves (in prayers).
[2:126]
(Recall) when Ibrāhīm said, “My Lord, make this a city of peace, and provide its people with fruits - those of them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He (Allah) said, “As for the one who disbelieves, I shall let him enjoy a little, then I shall drag him to the punishment of the Fire. How evil an end it is!
[2:127]
When Ibrāhīm was raising up the foundations of the House, along with Ismā‘īl (Ishmael) (supplicating): “Our Lord accept (this service) from us! Indeed, You - and You alone - are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing!
[2:128]
Our Lord, make us both submissive to You, and (make) of our progeny as well, a people submissive to You and show us our ways of Pilgrimage and accept our repentance. Indeed, You - and You alone - are the Most-Relenting, the Very-Merciful.
[2:129]
And, our Lord, raise in their midst a Messenger from among them, who should recite to them Your verses, and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and cleanse them of all impurities. Indeed You, and You alone, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”
[2:130]
Who can turn away from the faith of Ibrāhīm except the one who has debased himself in folly? Indeed We have chosen him in this world. And he is certainly among the righteous in the Hereafter.
[2:131]
When his Lord said to him, “Submit!” He said, “I submit myself to the Lord of all the worlds.”
[2:132]
And Ibrāhīm exhorted the same to his sons, and so did Ya‘qūb (Jacob): “My sons, Allah has certainly chosen for you the Faith. So, let not death overtake you but as Muslims.”
[2:133]
Is it that you were present when death approached Ya‘qūb, when he said to his sons: “What will you worship after me”? They said, “We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrāhīm, Ismā‘īl (Ishmael) and IsHāq (Isaac), the one God, and to Him we submit ourselves.”
[2:134]
Those are a people who have passed away. For them is what they earned, and for you is what you earned. Nor shall you be questioned as to what they have been doing.
[2:135]
They said, “Become Jews or Christians, and you will find the right path.” Say: “Instead, (we follow) the faith of Ibrāhīm, the upright, - and he was not one of those who associate partners with Allah.”
[2:136]
Say (O, Muslims): “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us, and in what has been revealed to Ibrāhīm, Ismā‘īl (Ishmael), IsHāq (Isaac), Ya‘qūb and his children, and in what has been given to Mūsā and ‘Īsā (Jesus) and what has been given to the prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between any of them, and to Him we submit ourselves.”
[2:122]
O children of Isrā’īl (Israel), remember My blessing that I conferred upon you, and that I gave you excellence over the worlds.
[2:123]
And guard yourselves against a day when no one shall stand for anyone for anything, nor shall ransom be accepted from anyone, nor shall intercession be of benefit to him, nor shall any support be given to such people.
[2:124]
When his Lord put Ibrāhīm to a test with certain Words, and he fulfilled them, He said, “I am going to make you an Imām for the people.”He said, “And from among my progeny?” He replied, “My promise does not extend to the unjust.”
[2:125]
When We made the House (Ka‘bah of Makkah) a frequented place for men, and a place of peace! Make from the Station of Ibrāhīm a place of prayer. We gave the (following directive) to Ibrāhīm and Ismā‘īl (Ishmael): “Purify My House for those who are to circumambulate (make Tawāf) and those who stay in I‘tikāf, and those who bow down or prostrate themselves (in prayers).
[2:126]
(Recall) when Ibrāhīm said, “My Lord, make this a city of peace, and provide its people with fruits - those of them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He (Allah) said, “As for the one who disbelieves, I shall let him enjoy a little, then I shall drag him to the punishment of the Fire. How evil an end it is!
[2:127]
When Ibrāhīm was raising up the foundations of the House, along with Ismā‘īl (Ishmael) (supplicating): “Our Lord accept (this service) from us! Indeed, You - and You alone - are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing!
[2:128]
Our Lord, make us both submissive to You, and (make) of our progeny as well, a people submissive to You and show us our ways of Pilgrimage and accept our repentance. Indeed, You - and You alone - are the Most-Relenting, the Very-Merciful.
[2:129]
And, our Lord, raise in their midst a Messenger from among them, who should recite to them Your verses, and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and cleanse them of all impurities. Indeed You, and You alone, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”
[2:130]
Who can turn away from the faith of Ibrāhīm except the one who has debased himself in folly? Indeed We have chosen him in this world. And he is certainly among the righteous in the Hereafter.
[2:131]
When his Lord said to him, “Submit!” He said, “I submit myself to the Lord of all the worlds.”
[2:132]
And Ibrāhīm exhorted the same to his sons, and so did Ya‘qūb (Jacob): “My sons, Allah has certainly chosen for you the Faith. So, let not death overtake you but as Muslims.”
[2:133]
Is it that you were present when death approached Ya‘qūb, when he said to his sons: “What will you worship after me”? They said, “We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrāhīm, Ismā‘īl (Ishmael) and IsHāq (Isaac), the one God, and to Him we submit ourselves.”
[2:134]
Those are a people who have passed away. For them is what they earned, and for you is what you earned. Nor shall you be questioned as to what they have been doing.
[2:135]
They said, “Become Jews or Christians, and you will find the right path.” Say: “Instead, (we follow) the faith of Ibrāhīm, the upright, - and he was not one of those who associate partners with Allah.”
[2:136]
Say (O, Muslims): “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us, and in what has been revealed to Ibrāhīm, Ismā‘īl (Ishmael), IsHāq (Isaac), Ya‘qūb and his children, and in what has been given to Mūsā and ‘Īsā (Jesus) and what has been given to the prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between any of them, and to Him we submit ourselves.”
len said..."I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him
who called you in the grace of Christ, ("grace" means you can't earn Heaven - He paid for you)
to a different gospel, which is not another;
but there are some who trouble you
and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an ANGEL from heaven,
preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again,
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you
than what you have received, let him be accursed."
(Gal 1:6-9)
(Srizels I wonder if you will see it? Answer you question later,must go to work!)
who called you in the grace of Christ, ("grace" means you can't earn Heaven - He paid for you)
to a different gospel, which is not another;
but there are some who trouble you
and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we, or an ANGEL from heaven,
preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again,
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you
than what you have received, let him be accursed."
(Gal 1:6-9)
(Srizels I wonder if you will see it? Answer you question later,must go to work!)
3 February 2011 08:24
srizals said...
'17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.
18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas[b] and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.
srizals said...'17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.
18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas[b] and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.
21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they praised God because of me'.
Len,
I wonder what is the significance of Arabia in these verses Len? Could you share your thoughts on it?
And 23 is a problematic expression. No one could stop persecuting the weaklings and become one of them. Not unless Mubarak, Ben Ali, Barak, Livni, Sharon, Netanyahu, Petraeus, Blair, Bush and other persecutors of the weak prove me wrong. It's just simply illogical. Not unless, the enemy within is the only way to destroy the weaklings once and for all. A corruption that would be unnoticed and unstoppable by the weaklings themselves.
Could you give me another example of a persecutor cum saviour?
Jesus said that another comforter would be coming after him. Does that mean another son of god or god will be coming after him? Was he referring to Paul, a Christian hater?
Len,
I wonder what is the significance of Arabia in these verses Len? Could you share your thoughts on it?
And 23 is a problematic expression. No one could stop persecuting the weaklings and become one of them. Not unless Mubarak, Ben Ali, Barak, Livni, Sharon, Netanyahu, Petraeus, Blair, Bush and other persecutors of the weak prove me wrong. It's just simply illogical. Not unless, the enemy within is the only way to destroy the weaklings once and for all. A corruption that would be unnoticed and unstoppable by the weaklings themselves.
Could you give me another example of a persecutor cum saviour?
Jesus said that another comforter would be coming after him. Does that mean another son of god or god will be coming after him? Was he referring to Paul, a Christian hater?
That's why we have no paedophile priests, less likely to destroy and conquer for materialistic gains (gold, gospel and glory was never our motto) and do not have any problem with legal abortion, last but not least, have sex with dignity.